Before you consider a champion OP look at win rates.

Noob Slaýer·3/19/2015, 9:29:27 PM·4 votes·1,260 views

So many people think that Nidalee, Lee sin are OP but they really arent. Nidalee has a 48.39% win rate so you tell me why she is OP? She has a negative win rate if she is on your team your most likely to lose. Another reason why do you think lee sin is OP? Lee sin has a whopping 45.14% win rate. That is lower than Urgot and Olaf. Since they have a higher win rate they must be OP so im gonna cry about it to Riot!!! Omg Rito lee sin so op he has a 45% win rate while champions such as Sejuani have a 57.85% win rate.

Use facts to make statements people, just because a champion has alot in their kit doesnt make them OP. You have to consider skill level, team comps and what not. So GG.

13 Comments

JustMyBassCannon3/19/2015, 9:30:23 PM2 votes

This is horrible advice.

The win rate of a champion is only one factor of balance. It's not that it doesn't give any information, but just the win rate doesn't explain everything about the champion's balance.

Something else you need to consider is Pick Rate and Ban Rate.

You also need to consider the champion's power budget (the tools in their kit).

You also can't ignore the current meta, because a champion will often become strong because the meta favors their playstyle.

Win rate alone is a horrible balance factor.

Linna Excel3/19/2015, 9:31:23 PM1 votes

Win rates don't matter. Lee has a bad win rate because most people can't play him well enough. When they do, he's a nightmare.

KrazyIvanUSA3/19/2015, 9:32:51 PM1 votes

Win rates don't mean much. You can have an awesome OP champ with a crappy team and lose.

WarlockLaw3/19/2015, 9:56:59 PM1 votes

Win rates can only determine so much especially when used by themselves. Anything that is plus or minus 5% of 50% isn't a solid determination of power by itself. Lee sin has a relatively low win rate because a lot of people play him but not all of them truly know how to play him right. I assume nidalee is in a similar spot where those who can't land spears are lowering the win rate as well. You can't just look at win rates and say thus person needs buffs and this person needs needs. If that were the case then heimer should get a significant nerf next patch because he has been over 54% win rate for the last several patches

IcyPepper3/19/2015, 9:58:27 PM1 votes

I also look at pick rates.

When there's a champion with a pick rate over 20%, I have an issue. It doesn't mean they're necessarily overpowered, it just means that they're too general, not enough weaknesses, and other champions for a similar role are suffering.

bad arcade kitty3/19/2015, 10:01:22 PM1 votes

yeah you are right if you have a nidalee on your team and you don't know the person who picked her you can consider that your chances to win decreased

LoRdJeSuS69694203/19/2015, 10:09:43 PM1 votes

Winrate is really the only legitimate method for a non-riot employee to determine a champion's strength, as we don't have access to any better data. And it's a pretty good one. People will invent reasons like "bad people play lee" to explain his terrible winrate, but guess what--bad people play every champion. Bad people play sejuani too, yet something about her makes it so they still win. Diamond and Master lee sins who play him in ranked STILL have a garbage winrate.

People can theorycraft and make up their own reasons for why someone is too strong, but it's just talk with no actual data behind it, and usually is chock full of cognitive biases (ever notice that's it's always the flashy champions that get complained about the most?). People get wrecked in a highly visible way by some champion a couple times and think it's broken while forgetting all the times the champion they are complaining about had little to no impact at all. It's also easier to ignore the strong, but more subtle power held by other champions (sej is a good example--not so flashy, but incredibly strong).

As for people suggesting that pick and ban rates be taken into account as well, they have literally nothing to do with champion balance. They are more measures of perceived champion strength rather than actual champion strength. What the average player thinks and what is true are two separate things. Maybe lots of people think lee is strong, and they pick him all the time, but at the end of the day he still loses substantially more often than he wins. It's just herd mentality ("other people play him so I will play him"), especially when the LCS is involved ("they did it in LCS which means it must be good in silver too"). Pick and ban also take into account other factors like annoyance (maybe fizz wasn't op, but he was annoying) that are completely unrelated to champion strength.

Sirsir3/19/2015, 10:26:41 PM1 votes

Just because certain players can't play certain champs (thus bringing their rates down to compensate for those that roflstomp with them) doesn't mean they are balanced.

The only reason Lee is so strong is because of the way the jungle works. Lee is best at the early game, where most junglers suffer. The ones that don't (Fiddle, WW) are poor duelists in such early levels. Lee takes advantage of this, with an early invade. gets a lead, and snowballs.

Nidalee is only op because of her jumps. If she lands a spear, and has any gold on her, you will die. If she doesn't she gets another chance, or she can just chase you down with her 5 second jump.

Sejuani was strong before, Cinderhulk pushed her over the edge. Riot is reacting. None of her changes so far are that game-breaking, poeple act like she is getting Olafed.

Onimus Terlain3/19/2015, 10:58:24 PM1 votes

In reality, the opposite is true. When considering if a character is OP, never rely solely on winning percentage.