Riot dictating how to play your own game?

Alpha Danger··3 votes·718 views

Playing a game like League of Legends, especially in normal matches, is purely recreational and not to be taken seriously like real life relationships or work. Riot Games wants supports in the bot lane, which makes roaming and actually supported your whole team impossible. No where in the client or game does it say that support has to stick to bot lane the whole "laning phase" which isn't explained in the game either. I got reported for trolling as support in normal draft for being filled to support, playing the only champion I knew how to play that's not a carry, and roaming because bot lane was being toxic to me and it was tough all around being bot lane the whole time. I didn't completely abandon my Bot though. I just hope I don't get banned because I'm not good enough of a player to play by dictation of a company that owns a free to play recreational moba. I don't have a problem with all the riot employees, just the ones that want to dictate where support is in their game, even though they're not the ones playing. I want to make my OWN decisions in a free to play game please. Thank you!

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ƒrostγ3 votes

If you get autofilled to supp, then play fcking supp and don't ruin the game for your whole team.

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frosted Prince,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:12:58.325+0000)

If you get autofilled to supp, then play fcking supp and don't ruin the game for your whole team.

I did play support.

ƒrostγ2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alpha Danger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:14:19.602+0000)

I did play support.

You have to prioritize your ADC above everything else, and should only roam when the enemy bot backs to base or if your lane is ahead and your ADC can handle himself. If you want to troll, play custom games.

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frosted Prince,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:21:49.687+0000)

You have to prioritize your ADC above everything else, and should only roam when the enemy bot backs to base or if your lane is ahead and your ADC can handle himself. If you want to troll, play custom games.

but there's nothing from riot that says that on the client or in game, so it shouldn't be bannable.

ƒrostγ2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Alpha Danger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:23:28.899+0000)

but there's nothing from riot that says that on the client or in game, so it shouldn't be bannable.

It is bannable because you are basically trolling by randomly leaving your lane and feeding most likely. If I ever get a "support: like this on my team, I'd report him as well.

Just learn to play a normal support like Janna and Soraka, it is not a big deal. I was never a fan of the support role, but ever since the autofill was introduced, I was forced to learn to play one. Janna worked for me, I have a 67% winrate on her ( out of ~50 games ), and I'm only playing her when I get autofilled.

Warhammer Titan2 votes

You have to reliaze if you just leave your marksman you are ruining their game. They will be forced to 2v1 bot lane, get shoved in the entire time, get tower dove, get both their towers taken, and then you lose the game because your adc is now useless because an adc needs items to scale. Sure you can be an asshole and roam but I suggest you dont

Geauxx1 votes

Support is team support, not marksman support.

What you're referring to is the meta that the support is with the marksman.

So the adc can ruin his game, and not the other way around... hmm fair.

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Juicy Booty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:05:53.644+0000)

Support is team support, not marksman support.

What you're referring to is the meta that the support is with the marksman.

So the adc can ruin his game, and not the other way around... hmm fair.

The adc can make decisions and so can I, I'll leave and he'll choose to stay. Not my fault either way.

Warhammer Titan1 votes

Oh you just saw the nunu support guy thats why you're trying to act all edgy and not play support correctly lmao

Alpha Danger2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:13:22.518+0000)

Oh you just saw the nunu support guy thats why you're trying to act all edgy and not play support correctly lmao

What the hell does "play support correctly" even mean? there's no correct way to play it!

Warhammer Titan1 votes

I know you're new to the game, but there is. Whether you like it or not there is a certain playstyle to this game that everyone uses except you edgy teenagers trying to be cool.

Sure you can do whatever you like too, but that isnt how you play the game correctly. But you keep on leaving your adc as support, and stay down in bronze so I will never have to meet you-

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:16:22.130+0000)

I know you're new to the game, but there is. Whether you like it or not there is a certain playstyle to this game that everyone uses except you edgy teenagers trying to be cool.

Sure you can do whatever you like too, but that isnt how you play the game correctly. But you keep on leaving your adc as support, and stay down in bronze so I will never have to meet you-

Sorry I'll never meet you in silver 5 ):

Warhammer Titan1 votes

Oh borderline bronze you got me dude

Warhammer Titan1 votes

If you refuse to play support correctly, then just dodge.

Geauxx3 votes

Explain how to play support correctly?

Warhammer Titan1 votes

You guys are very late to the "leaving adc alone" posts and discussion but a support is meant to protect the adc. I know your argument is "THERE IS NOT DEFINITION OF SUPPORT I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT"

Geauxx1 votes

No the support is meant to support the team

The META says baby sit the adc.

If i were to go support the mid/top/jungle i'd still be supporting.

And no, you don't know my definition, you just think you know and are just flat out wrong.

Warhammer Titan1 votes

And your team is completely fine with you doing this right? This is a team game, and if you only care about doing what you want to do you will get nowhere. You could literally use your argument on any single role. Oh the meta says for me to go bot lane as an adc, but im just going to go assist my jungler in taking the camps. Im still being an adc

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:35:20.206+0000)

And your team is completely fine with you doing this right? This is a team game, and if you only care about doing what you want to do you will get nowhere. You could literally use your argument on any single role. Oh the meta says for me to go bot lane as an adc, but im just going to go assist my jungler in taking the camps. Im still being an adc

I'm not playing to go anywhere, I want to have fun like video games should be. It's not life and it's not only for people without lifes.

Warhammer Titan1 votes

Are you fine with people inting in a ranked game? I think you already know what im going to say next

Geauxx2 votes

So me helping my mid lane win his lane and top win lane is me not supporting?

So what if the meta was that the support was camped in lane with the toplaner tank... Would you still use your flawed argument or would you tell me to go bot with the adc?

Warhammer Titan1 votes

If the meta was supporting the top lane tank I wouldnt argue with it, because if its meta that means its the best possible arrangment. Your arrangment is not. You can win 2 lanes and the third lane will get butt fucked. OR you could have 3 lanes go even and have your jungler help your lanes out

Geauxx2 votes

So basically... you're just a meta slave.

The lanes can go even regardless. the support being in another doesn't change that fact, it's just a different person, even if you stay bot there's no guarantee you're winning it anyways.

Jungler could help anyways.

Do you even know how it became meta in the first place?

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Juicy Booty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=0000000000010000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:47:13.844+0000)

So basically... you're just a meta slave.

The lanes can go even regardless. the support being in another doesn't change that fact, it's just a different person, even if you stay bot there's no guarantee you're winning it anyways.

Jungler could help anyways.

Do you even know how it became meta in the first place?

I don't care about fancy game intricacies! It's a video game for christs' sake!!! It's not the only one that exists nor is it important!

Warhammer Titan1 votes

So your saying I can int feed and use the classic "Its just a video game chill bro"? This is the most cringy argument. "I can do whatever I want because im an edgy teenager and its just a video game bro why u so mad loololol"

And I also see you are to scared to actually make a fair poll.

Warhammer Titan1 votes

Its obvious I cant change your opinion, and I know you wont even do what you are saying is right. Just please dont play support and ask to switch or just dodge when you get autofilled. No matter what you say you are going to ruin the game for the adc.

Geauxx2 votes

Actually i'm a support main and go by meta.

It's just that your idea of "support" is blocked by the meta gate and your definition isnt the real definition.

A support isn't a adc babysitter, it's a team support... making sure your team does right, not just sitting bot only helping your adc. as you said.

You still never told me how it became meta and just go straight to attacking, hmm. Coincidence?

Warhammer Titan1 votes

It became meta because they realized it was the best for a well rounded team comp. And what you said was "support is a team support not a marksman support" You are litteraly saying dont support your marksman support everyone else but him And support can be anything, but you shouldnt do something if obviously no one likes it, and if you bring up the argument you can do whatever you want and just have fun please dont

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Geauxx2 votes

No. it became meta because it was the first solid plan that someone came up with and people stuck with it because they were the only ones who came up with a plan on it.

And i said team support not a marksman support, that means everyone not ->ONLY<- marksman as you keep trying to force it to be.

But since you have no valid examples or anything, you just continue to attack, that's fine though. Keep it up if it helps you

Warhammer Titan1 votes

If your team is fine with it you should go for it, if your team isnt fine with it you shouldnt. Creating a entirely different role with completely change the game, and if your team doesnt want agree with it and just wants to play a normal game you shouldnt do it.

If this guy made a post saying how supporting the adc is not important, and we should try something else that actually worked I would agree with it. All he says is how support is not defined and how he can do whatever the hell he wants to if hes autofilled, even at the expense of his own team

Warhammer Titan1 votes

Here is also a quote from the support singed thread he is obviously trying to bring back:

I'm going to wrap this thread up by quoting the Summoner's Code and asking you to put yourself in the AD carry's shoes. You're in series to promote into Platinum, and you see a Singed Support. They tell you that they usually top, and when they get support, they don't spend the first few levels botlane. They don't give you a choice but to comply or dodge. You can't dodge, and he seems pretty confident. The match begins. You're trying to farm, but the enemy botlane is harassing you hard. You're zoned off of the minion wave, and you become irrelevant fast.

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=00000000000100000000000000000001000000000001000000000002,timestamp=2017-06-08T02:09:51.087+0000)

Here is also a quote from the support singed thread he is obviously trying to bring back:

I'm going to wrap this thread up by quoting the Summoner's Code and asking you to put yourself in the AD carry's shoes. You're in series to promote into Platinum, and you see a Singed Support. They tell you that they usually top, and when they get support, they don't spend the first few levels botlane. They don't give you a choice but to comply or dodge. You can't dodge, and he seems pretty confident. The match begins. You're trying to farm, but the enemy botlane is harassing you hard. You're zoned off of the minion wave, and you become irrelevant fast.

You get autofilled, you only know how to play singed and you have a decent strategy to help your team out, after all the role is called "support" not "bot support." Your bot laner cries about you not following the meta and how they're helpless because they need carrying by someone else. You sigh and play your game the way you want to play it. GG.

Warhammer Titan1 votes

Im done with this dude please stop replying

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:02:46.000+0000)

You have to reliaze if you just leave your marksman you are ruining their game. They will be forced to 2v1 bot lane, get shoved in the entire time, get tower dove, get both their towers taken, and then you lose the game because your adc is now useless because an adc needs items to scale. Sure you can be an asshole and roam but I suggest you dont

If I don't leave I ruin my game, and since I'm playing, mine's more important to me so I'll make the decision for me.

Warhammer Titan1 votes

Ok be an asshole then.

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grand ChalIenge,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=000000010000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:12:26.719+0000)

Ok be an asshole then.

you're being rude,

Alpha Danger2 votes

You guys take this game WAY too seriously

Shadòw1 votes

the fck?

where did Riot ever say that you have to stay bot as support?

that report won't do nothing anyway.

Geauxx2 votes

It's kinda how the nunu support thing went... he took smite and would hinder the enemy jungler, roam mid and help, then return bot for a little and repeat.

Riot said something along the lines that even tho you cant be banned for meta breaking... blah blah blah and said something that basically said if u break meta and someone doesn't like it, you can be banned

Something along those lines.

EDIT: I think the same thing happened to the singed guy.

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Juicy Booty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:08:10.786+0000)

It's kinda how the nunu support thing went... he took smite and would hinder the enemy jungler, roam mid and help, then return bot for a little and repeat.

Riot said something along the lines that even tho you cant be banned for meta breaking... blah blah blah and said something that basically said if u break meta and someone doesn't like it, you can be banned

Something along those lines.

EDIT: I think the same thing happened to the singed guy.

I'm just scared I'll be banned for playing my best in a filled roll and helping the team win because they didn't like it :(

Geauxx1 votes

i doubt you get banned for a 1 time thing anyways.

The other people did it consistently, basically every game

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Juicy Booty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:10:46.921+0000)

i doubt you get banned for a 1 time thing anyways.

The other people did it consistently, basically every game

I got 14 dayed one time for trying but failing in 1 single game ):

Geauxx1 votes

if you've been 14-dayed then don't do it. that means you're borderline perma as it is... unless the 14 day was years ago or something

Alpha Danger1 votes

[{quoted}](name=That Juicy Booty,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=lNEBEeRA,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-08T01:16:18.457+0000)

if you've been 14-dayed then don't do it. that means you're borderline perma as it is... unless the 14 day was years ago or something

Don't play? it was one normal blind pick that I played and got spawnkilled by a rengar and reported for playing adc .... ):

Geauxx1 votes

even still, you see... getting reported and how they manually handle reports... are a point of view and opinions.

To you, it may have been all fine and dandy, to them they think you are trolling.

Riot will look at it since you're close to perma anyways, they will see that you've been recently 14-day'd, see how toxic you've been lately and then choose if they think you were trolling or not and either leave you alone or drop the hammer.

Hallbuster1 votes

I hate to call you out on this but as long as you weren't verbally abusive or AFK. This is highly unlikely, coming from a player that was once semi - toxic and trolled a few games in the past before I changed my ways when I learned I could get banned. Unless you are being disruptive in ALOT of games, the report won't even be looked at.

Hallbuster1 votes

Once again, people feel obligated to stretch truths, twist facts, and make untrue statements. While it's true you can't be banned for playing off - meta, it is if it hinders your team and results in a loss of communication. An offense that IS punishable. In this case, our Nunu did not seek the approval of his team, he ignored them, held them hostage and got reported in over 50% of his games from players that didn't have a record of using the feature at all.

Frightning1 votes

The reason the support typically goes bottom lane with another person who farms the lane is a matter of what constitutes an effective lane-phase strategy. Typically the bot lane farmer (usually a marksman, but doesn't actually have to be a marksman) is a champion with strong scaling with itemization, and the support usually has a strong early game and synergy with nearby allies. Most of the (champion) xp and gold you earn over the course of a game of LoL is earned from minions and/or monsters, as such, it is wise to spend most of your time, especially earlier on, in the presence of enemy minions or killing monsters (enemy minions grant xp as long as you're near them when they die, but jungle monsters only grant xp to their killer). The jungle only provides enough monsters to fully support 1 champion, and since xp is only granted for kills, you wouldn't get xp being in the jungle if you aren't the one killing the monsters, so the jungle position can only realistically support 1 champion per team.

That leaves 4 other champions and 3 lanes.

Because minion xp/champ is lower the more champs in a lane, and because no xp is given to anyone on your team for enemy minion deaths that aren't near one of your team's champions, the natural optimization to max xp and gold gained is to have a 1-1-2 split, with one lane having 2 champions and the others one each. So then the question becomes who should pair up and duo a lane, and which lane should be duoed?

The answer basically comes down to: -Who suffers the least from getting less xp? -Who has the best synergy with teammates?

Marksman aren't significantly affected by being behind in xp because most of their power comes from basic attacks which primarily scale with itemization, and supports are generally the most synergistic with teammates. The support not farming minions is advantageous because support kits typically are effective even without much if any stats to back them up, utility scales with CDR and not really anything else, and the other bot laner is usually a champion with strong itemization scaling, hence your team is, overall, stronger when the other bot laner gets as much of the gold as is practical.

So why is the duo usually bot? This is partly historical, before Rift Herald was invented, Baron was the only objective on top side of the map, and it didn't even spawn until 25 minutes in (lowered to 20 a long time ago, but in the beginning it was 25), hence the only important neutral objective was on the bottom side of the map, hence it was advantageous to have the duo in bot lane so that up to 4 of your team's champions were near enough to respond quickly to that objective, so the need or opportunity arise. It's only been with the rework that Rift Herald has become as impactful as first Dragon (the stats show about a 70% win rate for the team that takes either of them first), but a while earlier. Many pro teams had opted into the lane-swap meta as a way of accelerating the game and avoiding a potentially bad 2v2 lane matchup. This style of play was allowed for several season, and the NA in particular became famous for using it in most of their games. Riot eventually decided that it would be better for the game to have a further incentive to run standard lanes (it's a long discussion to examine all of the whys and hows), and made top tower have resistance to champion damage early on in the game, but bot tower does not. This asymmetry is the main reason standard lanes prevail in pro play today, as it's generally regarded as no longer worthwhile to swap your duo lane to top lane, as you are liable to lose first tower before the team that didn't swap.

Putting all of that together, it becomes pretty clear why the meta is what it is: Most of it is just good strategy, and there aren't many ways to innovate on most of it. (Some things, such as who goes bot to farm, and such have room for some innovation, but most of it is pretty decidedly better than the alternatives).

Cocho1 votes

I hate this argument the most.

Do you understand how terrible it is to 2v1 as the ADC? You cannot. The ADC will fall behind most of the time. They will likely lose their tower 1st.

The support not being in the bot lane is also deciding how the ADC will play. They will literally have 0 impact early, even in their own lane, by the time they are at 1 item, the game has been decided for them. They dont get to play league of legends.

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