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The reason why Vayne isn't doing hot currently.

OxyPoro·7/14/2016, 9:36:13 AM·49 votes·2,907 views

Reason 1:

Why would you ever need a tankbuster ADC - When pretty much any and every ADC nowadays is a tankbuster post 3 items thanks to the massive ammount of damage enhancement from out of game stats?

Reason 2:

AoE/Control mages are tankier than ever, generally as tanky as bruisers at times while still retaining their signature burst damage potential thanks to derperlords and if that didn't make things worse, they can also spamm spells, including cc at a rate never before seen since cdr is literally tacked on to just about every of their core item in the game by nowadays, or at least, on more of them than it's not.

Reason 3:

Damage has been raised massively across the board, meaning that her true damage simply isn't as impactful, especially against teams that don't have alot of tanks.

Reason 4:

Her counters are doing hot.

There are probably more reasons but these are some that I could think of.

All that said... Does that mean that Vayne needs to get buffed to meet the meta standards? Honestly, I don't feel so, she's still the slipperiest ADC out there and one of if not the games strongest duelist when fully built, also she still retains her signature as a choice pick vs teams that double or tripple tank. She doesn't need to be effective against all setups.

Bring on the hate. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

54 Comments

Urgot doggy dogg7/14/2016, 10:06:00 AM13 votes

vayne is a toxic champion and should be nerfed more than urgot and yorick combined yet they show favoritism

TheOvermind7/14/2016, 12:21:46 PM10 votes

You are pretty much right about everything , but I feel like Vayne is struggling because one very straight forward reason: HER ULTIMATE COUNTER CAITLYN IS DOMINATING ATM

The Deckowner7/14/2016, 10:25:10 PM5 votes

with every adc having armour pen on every item they do more or les true damage anyways.

Eevee In A Jar7/14/2016, 4:50:39 PM4 votes

I think your conclusion on whether or not Vayne needs a buff is correct. We shouldn't buff her. She still has potential to shit on any of these champs late game 1v1. Despite her counters being hot in the past, she has still stayed relevant in almost every season in comparison to ADC like Jinx. I mean even if you look at high success of some of the fotm adc's right now, Vayne has pretty much stayed in use every season while some fluctuated.

I agree the meta is working against Vayne atm but it doesn't necessarily mean Vayne is in a weak spot I think. There are other factors other than the individual champion that makes her weaker. To buff her is continuing to add values across the board when it is mostly already overvalued as it across teh board.

TyroneWatermelon7/14/2016, 10:17:53 AM4 votes

1.Vayne still shreds tanks more than any other champion in the game 2.Vayne is the best adc duelist after Blade of the Ruined King 3.she is easy mode after level 8

Sneakyy XD7/14/2016, 2:24:15 PM3 votes

And the game is still extremely focused on the early game

UnbeatablePlayer7/14/2016, 6:52:44 PM2 votes

Vayne is still the best adc late game imo, if not twitch. As soon as you ult and tumble the damage buff from that shit is crazy and you can do more than jhin in one autoattack to one adc. Legit 3 shot a GA miss fortune with it :D

LatetotheRace7/14/2016, 6:54:13 PM2 votes

I'm going to say it's likely because so many other ADCs take item 3142 .

SiG DxD7/14/2016, 10:05:33 PM2 votes

buuut muhhh cancerous % true dmg

1000 true dmg 500 basic

Swiftstrike47/14/2016, 11:13:51 PM2 votes

Most players do not know how to play Vayne. That is why she has a poor win rate. She is a high skill-cap champion compared to most ADCs and has no effective wave clear. Meaning if you get shoved under tower early and have no idea how to farm under tower you will fall behind. It is easy to tower dive her early and get her behind.

Her early levels are pretty poor relative to other ADCs, but most players do not understand that she needs time and farm to be effective.

They want to go all with the support at level 3.

Support is my secondary. I don't frequently support vayne's in ranked (people don't pick her often) but when I support a Vayne in a normal is almost ALWAYS a loss because the player is new to her and thinks that Vayne is "strong" early. They overvalue the skill Condemn.

They pick fights and lose early trades because she is so weak early. Often we both die because they pick a bad fight. They also don't farm very well and frequently blame the support when they lose the lane.

I can say with certainty that I don't like supporting Vaynes that have not played a lot of games with her. They simply do not understand her early weakness and because she is relatively mobile and has a stun, they play her overly aggressive pre-6.

If Vayne's base stats are marginally buffed she will be too strong in early laning and be overpicked. She is simply an ADC that needs to farm and people that play ADC are use to having greater activity in the bottom lane.

Baby Ghoul7/14/2016, 10:44:45 PM2 votes

Vayne is such a pain to support.

They need to make her early game less painful. I don't think it would be so bad to at least look in that direction. If compromises need to be made elsewhere, so be it in my opinion.

Right now it's way too punishing. If the enemy ADC is mildly competent, she gets bullied out of lane so quickly. Forget Caitlyn, who is a problem in and of herself, the majority of ADCs have the potential to easily dominate her in lane.

I feel like Vayne is too lopsided that it's no longer realistic in ranked for the majority of us. I know if I'm supporting a Vayne I will have to baby her for the majority of the game. It almost starts to feel like the lane is 2v1 because all she can do is farm. Shackling yourself to her like that isn't fun.

Anytime I see a support get her Vayne to late game, I honor them. That's seriously one of the hardest tasks in this game currently.

Serika Zero7/14/2016, 2:10:14 PM2 votes

Likewise, I believe that Vayne has it rough due to meta style. And no amount of buffs will make her come back in a good way. She will either be to strong after an insane buff, or still be to weak in order to make a stand in this meta.

Since getting stomped and zoned heavily in lane is very punishing.

Akali is SO HOT7/15/2016, 6:53:20 AM2 votes

Buffing Vayne is like playing with fire. If you want to do it go ahead but prepare to get burned at some point.

Yaskamasandwich7/14/2016, 3:19:00 PM2 votes

Vayne's main problem seems to be either god like banned op or useless, no middle ground. Also seems to be based on the meta entirely, if it's a real tank cc meta she wins, if not she loses.

PiVoRx7/15/2016, 12:50:06 PM2 votes

Vayne buff is another proff that Riot lacks of feeling whats going wrong with their own game. She was never bad, never below averange, had loong peroids of time where she was top adc multiple times.

That doesent mean Vayne needs buff, its more like champions like Caitlyn - her counter and currently bot lane queen, needs nerfs. Caitlyn used to be early game adc that falls very hard mid to late game but its not a cause now, with new items she wrecks any team that ignores her for just a second or strugles to get to her through wall of tanks and her long range, she also got her trap locks to deny any sieging/siege break attempts.

We whould be focused on nerfing whats overpowered, not buffing what strugles against overpowered ones.

Sidestep7/14/2016, 5:14:32 PM2 votes

Tbh, I believe the reason why Vayne is in a rough spot stems mostly from counter picks being played a lot. Lucian was probably the biggest contributing factor. He was/is a very strong pick since pre-season, and literally destroyed her in All stages of the game with cdr builds. Now with the recent Caitlyn play rate, which speaks for itself on why that will hurt her.

Off topic, but if rito is looking to buff an adc, they should buff my Kalista that got over-nerfed :)

Hayaishi27/15/2016, 10:07:12 PM1 votes

There hasn't been a single moment in League's history where buffing Vayne turned out to be fine. She breaks bot lane the moment she is in the meta.

Lady Hammerlock7/14/2016, 10:45:40 AM1 votes

The only Vayne buff i'd really want is for condemn to apply an extra stack of true silver bolts if hit I them to a wall

Dengeden7/14/2016, 10:22:39 PM1 votes

When pretty much any and every ADC nowadays is a tankbuster post 3 items

Nowadays? 3rd item LW or even BT back in the day did the same job. Vayne's niche has always been that she did it quicker and that her target couldn't fight back (usually).

AoE/Control mages are tankier than ever

Wouldn't ... Vayne benefit from HP stacking?

retaining their signature burst damage potential thanks to derperlords

I like how the old mastery tree allegedly did 0 damage but you guys just love your flashy animations, dontcha? Hextrinker, Thunderlord's, what else is on your list?

Here's what we got: Flat damage. Here's what the old offense tree did: %increased damage. Lots of %%%%. Which sucked for scaling carries, as they had 0 dueling power because of it. Didn't matter to anyone else, they had the same damage to work with as they do now. Only it was less fair because it didn't have requirements as the keystones do.

including cc at a rate never before seen

Yeah, building CDR, blue buff, CDR from runes, that didn't happen. Mid laners don't plan ahead like that.

Damage has been raised massively across the board

I take it you mean the new masteries again and more specifically, the keystones. A bit of a stretch to call that "massive". There's a bloody reason that solo kills don't happen in LCS, you know? (Outside of the occasional top lane brawl that goes too far, of course.)

Bring on the hate.

Well I guess I did but ... you think a slightly weak Vayne is ok and that damage is too high. Wow. Controversial.

Arakadia7/14/2016, 10:36:15 PM1 votes

Very well said.

FantasySniper7/15/2016, 12:11:58 AM1 votes

Meh. I'd rather fix the problems surrounding her first.

Vayne has always been a meta-dependent champion, and nobody really likes seeing her be meta anyways.

HaloDragonX7/15/2016, 3:40:27 AM1 votes

Her laning phase is also bad, where as Caitlyn who has better laning has also nearly as good late game.

Supreme Senpai697/15/2016, 8:16:42 AM1 votes

Tbh it's probably because people who aren't good are naturally attracted to Vayne, a term we like to call Vaynespotting. They drag her winrates down

Laçez7/15/2016, 10:33:01 AM1 votes

Just don't buff Vayne especially since she is borderline broken