Soraka: I just want to be viable top again... Riot August: Back to support Support, you devilish!

taleofsonata·2/3/2020, 1:13:42 PM·48 votes·15,939 views

Not even a patch being popular top lane, Soraka is back to getting gutted.

Alistar: Hey at least you got to play top lane again.

Soraka: Sniff Sniff

Nautilus: I'm not even a support but I was put here.

Senna and Pyke: Support you say?

Meanwhile top lane:

Vayne: Screeching Banshee

Yorick: Please no more!

60 Comments

LTK KoRo2/3/2020, 3:23:46 PM20 votes

Soraka: I just want to be viable top again... Riot August: well unfortunate for you, your playstyle as a toplaner is inherently toxic plus your current state as a toplaner is massively overtuned, so stop whining you little shit instead of trying to make the FUTURE nerfs unjustified

Love Anastasia2/3/2020, 1:47:39 PM14 votes

The sad thing is that some strong and toxic champs won't get nerfed until showed in Pro

And soraka is among these. Lets see if they rework her and remove her trash silence/snare in area

Someonelol9092/3/2020, 8:48:20 PM9 votes

Riot really shouldn't punish soraka for thriving in top lane, just because top lane is such a mess at the moment. Soraka

VonCesaw2/3/2020, 3:59:23 PM8 votes

If Vanye making screeching banshee noises isn't canon it shouldn't be

"Hey Vayne, I needed that Red Buff to jungle" SCREEEEEE "Hey Vayne, I know you like BOTRK but did you really need 3 of them?" SCREEEEEE "Hey Vayne, you don't have a complete item yet, you can't 1v5 them and the dragon" SCREEEEEE

JRobin312/3/2020, 10:40:45 PM7 votes

I think buffing or nerfing a champion because of the role that champion is played in is fundamentally Forcing META and simultaneously antithetical to player agency. Another example is when RIOT declares they are adjusting Senna because she is being played in the bot lane role instead of the support role. It's fundamentally wrong to alter a champion for that reason: the reason of enforcing META.

An appropriate reason to buff or nerf a champion is that champion's comparative performance to other champions. And if this is the reason, then it is okay to compare that champion to other champions in the same role.

Another good reason to alter a champion is because it is failing to live up to its fantasy. Correspondingly, a very bad reason to alter a champion is simply because it hasn't received an update in recent years.

TL;DR: I'm just saying... there are good reasons to make changes to champions and there are bad reasons to make changes to champions. Before changes are made, RIOT should be making sure the reasons for the changes are good reasons and not bad reasons.

Saezio2/3/2020, 3:30:04 PM7 votes

I don't get why soraka top is bad, but Senna ADC isn't...

Well, riot favoritism I guess.

Sluiceway2/3/2020, 4:48:34 PM7 votes

Something about Soraka must really get their goat. Maybe it is the legs.

But the really funny part is that, from what I have seen of it in pro play, it has not done much, but she will be nerfed anyway; or, to put it more bluntly, Soraka will get nerfed for being a mediocre (at best) top lane pick.

But the real reason I think they will nerf her is because she does not have any kill potential in a solo lane, and is therefore not flashy enough for streaming.

Śhunpo2/3/2020, 11:27:13 PM6 votes

I love how Riot hates supports going top lane, but the moment ADCs and mages go top lane they're all like "Yeah, this is fine, carry on!".

Riot also has stated that they're afraid to change top lane even though they've acknowledged that top lane has such a low impact on average nowadays. Where are the ranged champ nerfs for top lane? Where are the TP buffs? Where are the changes to allow top laners to not be assaulted by the jungler every 30 seconds?

But no, they won't change anything about top lane unless a support is taken top lane...even though true support champs are being forced out of their lanes because Riot keeps promoting champs like Brand Zyra Veigar Syndra Lux Pyke Senna Velkoz in the bot lane.

I really do feel for 'Raka players right now, because they're going through some buuuulllllshit.

Roselenne2/3/2020, 5:36:26 PM6 votes

Riot has a clear bias against certain champions. They want the players to play these champions in the role they intended them for. Other champions can get away with being flex picks because they are more popular. This game will always be balanced around what is popular. The current meta of assassins/engage sups is evidence of this. Flashy plays and big damage is whats popular. Also these champions can get away with being broken for longer, while champions like soraka and sona get nerfed immediately. In my opinion league of legends will never be a true competitive game due to the poor balance and blatant favoritism . Ranked is just simply normals with points attached to it. If you want a true competitive experience, where how you play is more important than what you play, then league is not the game for you. Also, what kind of "competitive esports game" doesn't balance around high mmr?

Also, I find the fact that champions are created to be played in a certain role wrong. Why can't they go in other lanes? Prob cuz riot can'r balance for shit?

Ragnaveil2/3/2020, 8:10:38 PM6 votes

Would like to remind shes doing the same thing Tank Karma top did...This isn't some "personal attack", its proof that toplane need balance, especially toward impact and dealing with range without having to use range as a counter.

Baby Ghoul2/4/2020, 12:07:00 AM5 votes

There's so many bad things top lane and there have been for a while. I remember back when Quinn or Vayne top being in the meta was a headache, but you could ban them, now there's too many ranged options because like support, riot doesn't want to limit anyone, which leads to unfair situations.

What I find funny is what they allow almost anything to be played top, but Soraka being played top even a little bit? Nah, let's nerf that ASAP.

The favoritism luv.

nm10102/3/2020, 4:02:38 PM5 votes

Isn't Sona top getting nerfed too? She didn't even make it to a pro game, just took someone bragging about their solo queue winrate lol.

CaptainAntiHeroz2/3/2020, 4:08:05 PM5 votes

Heimerdinger Quinn

ShadWooo2/3/2020, 7:54:01 PM4 votes

I play Soraka mid and top since Season 6. Last 2 seasons, the oneshot&snowball seasons, toplane is the worst lane to play her. Or rather than worst the most difficult. I was queving mid lately and tried to swap if I got top because even if you manage to kill enemy AD fighter early, once they finish item 3078 or in some cases item 3071 you are done. The lane is now own by them and you can only try to lose gracefully. Even 0/6 Jax because he is stupid af and thinks he can fight me when I have barrier advantage (always play with barrier because Soraka cannot prevent the engage unlike other supports) and then dives me 5 times will just be able to kill me under tower once he get his one or in worst case two item powerspike.

Fighters/Bruisers are absolutely unbeatable 1v1 with any Mage-Support or Mage in general. Assuming they play their champion correctly. And when they play the lane correctly and make it perma 2v1 with their jungler you can't even cs. Just losing flash with Soraka means she canot cs at all if the lane is frozen and jungler is not spotted - which in diamond elo where I play that is the case almost every single game.

Soraka top works basically only against marksmen (Vayne, Quinn), juggernauts if you play it perfectly or enemy plays it poorly (Aatrox, Garen, Morde,Darius,Urgot,Yorick) and against so-called-tanks. But in soloQ for past 2 years except Aatrox and Darius, who is still very popular pick (and that matchup is heavily influenced by his rune/summoner choice and experience playing against ranged - playing against Phase Rush/Ghost/boot rush Darius who knows what he is doing is extremely hard) it was always Irelia, Fiora, Jax, Yasuo, Akali, Kennen, Ekko, Sylas and recently Diana. At least against AP bruisers there are items you can build that still makes you usefull and actually help survive. Versus AD fighters/bruisers no matter how much armor I buy I always get bursted in seconds. No counterplay.

Especially Phage is extremely broken item that if you know how to use it counters immobile ranged champions in toplane. item 3009 and still got outran by basic boots Darius after he procced Phage and flashed over my Q to avoid slow.

I don't exactly know what is happening in pro play recently, but I suspect Soraka top is viable there because:

  1. her ultimate is actually usefull in pro play environment where players communicate perfectly (not that much in soloQ)
  2. relatively easy matchups are played against her - juggernauts, tanks or AP champions (the hardest matchups aren't played in pro play and they won't start picking those champions who can destroy Soraka just because Soraka is picked especially if they are not the current annalysts-said-you-must-pick-this-so-you-instalock-it-if-it-is-not-banned champions)
  3. better knowledge about enemy jungler position
  4. the fact that players rarely fight 1v1 in pro play and that every engage becomes 3+v3+ due to teleports and globals there is also a difference of how they play the lane, in pro play they don't bully/dive you under tower they actually let you farm and instead they use that to roam/put vision/recall.

you don't get these conditions in soloQ and thus if you want to play Soraka outside of support, for whatever reason (I am troll myself so the reason is simple for me), then better pick midlane.

Garson2112/3/2020, 6:30:34 PM4 votes

Soraka wil be nerfed because toplaner cant be usefull... I played her twice with very good score and KDA and only good about her at top is global heal so i can keep my bot alive. I end both games with terrible cs but perfect KDA. The weak point is: I put everything on one card: Is my carry good and lets be fair,its solo Q

And if you think this Soraka is toxic you never played vs old one :D I will never forget this 80% winratio after over 50 games.

Tobykachu2/3/2020, 5:58:01 PM4 votes

This does nothing but compound the absurd laziness plaguing the balance team. Soraka is able to thrive in the absolute hellscape that is top lane not because she herself is overpowered, but because the current top lane meta is completely out of whack. Soraka is able to successfully bully top laners with her ranged poke and influence the more important side of the map with her game changing ultimate. If they knuckled down and finally sorted out top lane then I have no doubt Soraka would be forced to abandon the lane.

Jaspers2/3/2020, 4:14:52 PM4 votes

Remember that one time Yorick got changed to help his high level play but not his low level play which was already good and instead they made him viable everywhere and he actually got played in pro, so they nerfed him immediately. So he went back to being good in low level play but non-existant in high level?

That was a fun 4 weeks.

Malix Farwin2/3/2020, 7:47:19 PM3 votes

she has a 54% WR top, even if you considered it as any other champion they would get nerfed.

Ionian Vulpix2/3/2020, 6:00:05 PM2 votes

Soraka isn't a top laner.