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Laning against Zed or Yasuo makes me rage

MarcReady·12/25/2014, 9:25:33 PM·80 votes·13,334 views

I may be rude, but i'm going to express my thoughts. Well, I hate laning against those champs: it's stressful and makes me rage sooooo much. They are sneaky, uncatchable rats whose kits do not allow funny trades.

Against a Yasuo you can't even fight in your own minion wave without taking a shitload of damage while also offering him a tons of mobility. The windwall? Let's not talk about it: there's nothing more frustrating of a Yasuo eating a skillshot of yours, pooping a crit on you and writing "outplayed". This is not a "big play", this is a ridiculous cheat which makes me curse god himself.

What about Zed? In lane, if he's pushed to tower he just spams his q and proceeds to last hit with his passive, if you are hugging your tower... well, don't be silly: you have no chance to save your butt cheeks, because he can dive you whenever he wants with no retaliation. Building armor makes no sense against Zed, since he will just buy armor pen while you will do no damage to him.

Sure these champs are hard and need time to master, but if a Yasuo or a Zed is good enough, you can only eat poop. fact.

When I beat Yasuo or Zed players I don't feel like I've been a better player than them, I just think they haven't been good enough with these champs and it makes me nervous. When I win against them I feel angry anyway because it has not been a funny match: I literally try-harded to kill them, to stomp them, I've put so much effort that I feel exhausted

In conclusion, whether I lose or not against them, the match makes me rage and I often find myself shouting curses to the pc (Sorry for my bad english :/ )

EDITED

A more in-depth discussion

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http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/d2kh7wAg-this-is-why-yasuo-and-zed-are-problematic-champions

Good post which explains better my thought

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Aye. This is a game. You are meant to have fun in it. Sure, people play competitively, but that does not take away from the fact that it is supposed to be fun. When you are incapable of doing anything in certain matchups, things go from fun to annoying very fast.

Don't get me wrong, I love when games challenge me. Most of the single-player games I do are on hard or above. I find that kind of thing highly entertaining, and I like that I am being tested, or need to use skill to win. The problem here is that Yasuo and Zed do not present a challenge, they present (quite literally, in Yas's case) a wall that 90% of champions cannot break through.

In most matchups against them, you do not rely on your own skill to win, you rely on your opponent lacking it. That is wrong. My ability to win should be dependent on my own actions and my ability to play this game better than my enemy. If s/he is more skilled, s/he deserves to win. If I am more skilled, I deserve to. When it comes to Yasuo and Zed, this is not the case.

I understand what Riot was going for with these champions, and I like their concepts. The problem is that they just do too much compared to the other champions in this game. Zed has insane damage, can farm from safety despite being melee, has multiple escapes, and is manaless. Yasuo has insane damage, can block harass from most ranged champions, gains a shield simply from moving, has incredible mobility while near multiple enemies (including minions), and is resourceless. Most of the champions that even come close to countering them have -at most- half of what Yas's and Zed's kits do, but they must sacrifice something for it.

The fact that they are manaless just adds to the problem of fighting them. As a mage, you WILL need to safely manage your mana in order to have enough to fight back when Yas or Zed decide to fight you. Again, do not misunderstand me here. Mana management is key when fighting ANY opponent, but these two just exemplify what is wrong with the concept of manaless champions. Their damage is just as high as a mana-user's, but they do not really sacrifice anything for it.

This turned out much longer than I originally meant for it to be, but I stand by everything I said.

154 Comments

ImHerVoice12/26/2014, 12:40:17 AM13 votes

yeah they're both broken sacks of shit. And they'll never get nerfed out of viability so I don't have to see them ever again because LCS bigplays etc etc etc

They're the least fun champions to play against for me that and fizz and any ranged top.

EIven Rope12/25/2014, 9:32:06 PM11 votes

I agree, they just have too much utility and are too easy to live in any situation pretty much, while having gnarly damage.

SouL1ess12/25/2014, 11:36:07 PM10 votes

I literally try-harded to kill them, to stomp them, I've put so much effort that I feel exhausted

That feel. ahahahaha.

Sums up my normal game experience, playing against Zed 90% of the time.

Yakas12/25/2014, 9:35:52 PM9 votes

just don't pick champs that are squishy or don't have any self sustain against yasuo. Lissandra dominates him. Zed however is harder to counter, just build zhonyas first and that's it.

Rikari12/26/2014, 4:14:18 PM8 votes

Kinda dumb how an ad assassin can outrange you,outsustain you,outplay you,outdamage you, tower dive you behind your jungler and get way away from you. Every time.

SecretAgentHulk12/25/2014, 11:05:22 PM6 votes

(I have no opinions either way, but as an English tip, you use "funny" when something made you laugh, like a joke, but you use "fun" when you enjoyed something, like a good lane matchup. Best of luck!)

meatjunjun12/26/2014, 2:36:32 AM5 votes

The way I see it, Zed and Yasuo are balanced champs because they're melee. They need to be able to pick their spots because almost all their opponents are ranged.

A ranged mid laner has the opportunity to poke as long as they have mana, whereas a melee champ can only stand far away and try to capitalize on your mistake.

The point is, yes they are very hard to fight if the player is good, but they worked hard to get that good. You shouldn't punish them for that. A melee champion also needs the ability to kill a mage if they find a way to get in. Why should ranged champions hold all the advantages?

doubleguac12/26/2014, 4:35:23 AM5 votes

I think, holistically, Zed's balance isn't that far off from right. He's a high skill cap champion with plenty of counterplay, and mostly single target damage.

My main problem with Zed is that "counterplay" only really involves preventing him from killing you. He's got incredibly strong manaless wave clear and amazing escape.

Basically, Zed is the kind of champion where, if you step out of position for even a second, he can kill you, but he has to screw up comparatively much harder to die, and it's practically impossible to keep him off the minion wave. At worst, Zed usually goes even in lane.

Saianna12/27/2014, 6:14:09 PM3 votes

You mate, deserve Riots attention

How many times Yasuo/Zed has totally wrecked me, a full AR tank while i couldn't damage nor escape.

How many times Yas wind wall has made my skillshot Rs pointless...

Raptamei12/26/2014, 11:54:21 AM2 votes

Yasuo actually has a very low win rate. Don't be mad just because you lost lane and went on to win anyway. This isn't about you.

Babs242412/26/2014, 6:20:33 PM1 votes

To me it just sound like your taking all the negatives of them, Their both shit if cc'd they cant do anything and their both very squishy as for Yasuo im a yasuo main and he is very fun to play with and its not just jump into your face and crit his early game is Bad very bad the first few levels are very hard for him, on top of that he is very week if he gets ganked since he has no escapes yes he can e but most-likely the Minions will be under the enemy turret so yea E to the enemy great idea.