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Can riot tone down some of the passive power in corki's special delivery

anonymous1111··46 votes·4,309 views

If the special delivery did not exist at all corki would still be in a fine place right now. At every single point in the game he is a strong champion and one of the safest laners in the game.

The problem I have is that special delivery has so much unnecessary added effects to it. It is by far the largest dash in the game and you arrive so much quicker than the comparable pantheon/tf/tahm semi globals. For some insane reason it doesn't put his w on cooldown giving him another dash immediately after. It gives him large passive movement speed increase. It has a knock back attached to it. It does a lot of damage. It has an extremely strong persistent slow over a massive area.

I think it would be extremely reasonable for a nerf to make it no longer reset his w and to tone down the slow over the area.

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Sorry was miss informed about the ultimate cd.

Corki is being played mid far more than bot. The package bot is much harder to use because it limits the map selection and you have the constant pressure of the opposing duo lane.

What happens with corki mid is that he pretty much instantly wave clears and is then able to damn near instantly get top/bot or enemy jungle making it extremely hard to react. When corki is played this way I still think it's extremely reasonable that it puts the W on cooldown. The w reset gives him far far too much safety in securing a kill on the roam from mid or securing a kill even when the opponents use flash.

I understand the knock back is for knocking people outside of the damage slow, but it is still excessive when used on choke points or cutting off retreat paths.

42 Comments

Only Play Darius16 votes

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Saianna10 votes

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TotalJerk7 votes

Corki doesn't have two ults, though. His R is basically a glorified basic ability. If you want a champion that has two ults, look at Azir.

Abyssphere4 votes

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Corki doesn't have two ults, though. His R is basically a glorified basic ability. If you want a champion that has two ults, look at Azir.

I think his ult is an ult level ability. Obviously each individual cast is weak as hell but the fact that he can spam it so much means that the spread out impact of many ults is comparable to the impact of one "proper" ult from a lot of people.

Hello I am Bird1 votes

I think he means his passive and actual ult.

Humbreonn3 votes

He was talking about Corki.

Remlap12231 votes

Someone is forgetting Jax exists.

Fair Champion6 votes

As someone who plays Corki whenever he goes bot, I can 100% support this. In the next patch, Riot's planning on nerfing his Q damage and Missile cooldown. That isn't enough. When the Marksman rework took place, I didn't play the other various Marksmen that got reworked - I just really played Corki. At that point he was hidden OP, and now he's not-so-hidden OP. His enhanced autos make it easier to cs in lane, which helps a lot. But the main issue is Special Delivery - namely, the fact that it shouldn't exist. I've fed the enemy laner two kills in lane, picked up the Package, went into pane, and used it to 2v1 the enemy and pick up an easy double kill. The engage is stupid, the passive damage is stupid, and the enemy displacement can really disorient people. Furthermore, the fact that Valkyrie is available to use right after Special Delivery means that even if you mess up your engage, you still have an escape. Of the many times that I've gone in with Special Delivery, I've gotten at least one kill about 75% of the time. Even when I don't get a kill, I very rarely die. Whenever you hear an enemy Corki get his package, pretty much everyone needs to retreat to tower, or you'll die. It's obscene, and Corki would still be able to do well without it. I say the Package should either be nerfed or removed completely.

Fjork35 votes

Since when does the package affect his ult's reload time? I'm not seeing that anywhere on the wiki.

Billy VoHagen3 votes

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If the special delivery did not exist at all corki would still be in a fine place right now. At every single point in the game he is a strong champion and one of the safest laners in the game.

The problem I have is that special delivery has so much unnecessary added effects to it. It is by far the largest dash in the game and you arrive so much quicker than the comparable pantheon/tf/tahm semi globals. For some insane reason it doesn't put his w on cooldown giving him another dash immediately after.

Corki would be instantly caught out after if not for this.

It gives him large passive movement speed increase.

That could be toned down, fair.

It shortens the reload time on his ultimate.

Not true, don't know where you saw this.

It has a knock back attached to it.

The point of the package.

It does a lot of damage.

The point of the package, besides the knock back, it could be toned down a bit however. The fact that there is a knock back, however, means you won't be standing on it the whole duration.

It has an extremely strong persistent slow over a massive area.

Again, you won't be slowed the whole time.

I think it would be extremely reasonable for a nerf to make it no longer reset his w and to tone down the slow over the area.

All in all, a lot of your "extra" effects are the whole point of it. Some things could be toned down, like the move speed bonus, slow, and damage, but not reseting W would be a much larger nerf than you think.

Dr Birdie1 votes

It should have a cast time. The majority of the time you are using it from the back lines or FoW, so why does it need to be instant. If it had a cast time that would make it so that bad Corkis, who don't understand their positioning, can be stopped from using it. I feel it is way to reliable of a skill, considering all the things it does. Even Rumble's ult has a cast time so that you can dodge it if you react fast enough.

Sasogwa3 votes

What's the problem, it's only a Rumble + Braum ult with 3 times the length accompanied with a really fast super high range dash. It's rather weak, no?

I guess they should add %max health true damage, increased by a % of enemy's health, resistances, AD and AP.

HeadHonchkrow2 votes

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anonymous11116 votes

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No need to shhh. The thread is pretty much as dead as can be.

TotalJerk2 votes

1. 150% BONUS AD PER SECOND 2. 1800 RANGE DASH 3. 90% SLOW 4. KNOCKS ASIDE ALL ENEMIES HIT 6. INSTANTLY RESETS VALKYRIE'S COOLDOWN

Kanzler2 votes

You realize his passive and w were nerfed to accommodate special delivery right? You realize that there is a global announcement when he picks it up right? You realize that without the knockback, the ability is even more powerful?

God forbid we get interesting things on champions that give spikes of power on extremely long CDs

Veraska2 votes

Honestly if they were looking to tone down corkis overall power I would assume they would leave the package as is and focus on tuning the rest of his kit, someone said that corki is really strong at all stages of the game and is a really safe laner, which just sounds like he's overtuned to me, the package is the most interesting thing about corki (no other adc has a similar mechanic) and if corki were to be balanced around his special delivery as a extreme window of power, it'd be more balanced then just removing the package and leaving him as this generally strong generally safe adc,

Corkis got a lot of strengths and few weaknesses, make the package MORE meaningful to his gameplay and address his power when he doesn't have it

Spaceman5pff2 votes

TFW Corki has a better version of rumble ult

ZephyrDrake2 votes

you also MUST travel the full distance of the dash no matter what. It's a skill that is high risk with high reward. It also has a time limit, you cannot just pick it up and sit on it for 5 mins until you find the perfect engagement, you get it and you must find that right engagement or waste it and then be punished by having to wait quite the lengthy CD to get a shot at it again. Is it a strong ability? yes! it's meant to be a really powerful ability due to the many constraints it has already built into it

HotChilly1 votes

The fact that it has a knockback is actually a setback. I knocks people that he hits with it OFF of the damaging area, they have to walk back onto it to take dmg. It is good for zoning people away from an area, but ya, the knock back is a draw back not a buff. It does more dmg than rumbled ult, but it knocks people to safely when used. Thats what makes it doing so much damage ok, because people have to walk back onto it to take dmg. But ya it is pretty strong, but Corki is already seeing nerfs next patch I think in other parts of his kit

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

Another reason it is allowed to do damage is the fact it had a 5+ minute, non-reduceable cd, that you have to base for. Also it has a BONUS AD scaling so the first 2-3 packages are not going to hit for much since the first "big" AD item Corki buys is 6k+ gold into the game and it is a BF sword after Tri and Sorcs.

Andrionar1 votes

Rio: "nah, we don't want him to become a trash like other left 100 champions who are almost non-bannable".

LVL 5 PORO1 votes

Wow, it doesnt put his w on cd? Thats pretty broken.

My Waifu Vanilla4 votes

An ADC gap closing through the entire enemy is the entire point of the ability. If he did not get W back the ability would be beyond trash tier because he would die every time he cast it.

LVL 5 PORO1 votes

If you use the ability to Valk into the enemy team like a certified idiot, its not the abilities fault. Its your fault for not utilizing it correctly. It should definitely put his W on cd to properly balance it, and punish idiots who do things like you stated.

My Waifu Vanilla1 votes

When else would you use it? The enemy team would have to be plastic 32 to follow you through it if you use it to escape thus making it a 5 minute cd terrible escape since it still has the same pitfalls as Valkyrie: being a pretty slow dash that can be stopped by any cc or Poppy W.

If it didn't reset W the ONLY way to use the ability is to use it aggressively (like literally everyone does now) and flash out instead of use W since Flash is "technically" up every time your Package is. Also his Package isn't even THAT good considering it's 5 minute cd. It knocks people OUT of the damage zone and Corki himself has no way to keep people in it. The ONLY way to take damage from it AT ALL is for you to willingly go in the zone or get knocked into it. Even if your entire team gets Sej ulted or something and Corki uses Package during the stun you still get knocked out of it thus making it arguably one of the most counterplayable abilities in the game since the enemy is in semi-full control of taking any damage from the package.

LVL 5 PORO1 votes

Your logic is plastic 32 apparently ...

No sane ADC jumps into the middle of a team fight. The only thing thats going to happen is them getting exploded. Valk can be used to zone, secure kills, gank, peel, escape, you name it. The difference is when used like I previously listed, its evident the Corki has a few brain cells. But if you go full retard into the enemy team that's your problem.

DarkSunSovereign1 votes

IIRC it's also unstoppable by stuff like Syndra E

Dr Birdie1 votes

I feel like his packaged dash should have a short cast time, so that you have some sort of real way to dodge or stop it.

PrincessOfHyrule1 votes

I didn't even realize i was stuck in his w at one point, died, looked at the damage charts and the special delivery dealt more damage than the rest of his kit. Made rumble ultimate look like it was a basic ability.

YuGiHo1 votes

if corki ever pushes you into a wall with this you die no question. Its like a rumble ult thats easier to aim, covers more ground, does more damage, knocks units aside, and has a stronger slow. thats why i say if it pushes you into a wall and you have to walk all the way through it to get out it kills you. corki can kill you with 1 skill, the only other people allowed to do anything similar are mages like Veig and syndra or assassins like rengar or zed and for all of them its a single target not a whole team.

Steelflame1 votes

Remember though, no other champion has a 5 minute CD on any of their abilities/passive, HAVE to return to base to have it enable (The point of the massive out of combat MS buff on it is to just help you get back from having to do that), have a fixed timespan it is usable, and can ultimately have it be 100% wiffed just because you don't have a good cast for it, AND GIVES A GLOBAL ANNOUNCEMENT IT WAS PICKED UP.

Saying that if it pushes you into a wall, you die, well, Corki has about 1 minute to use this thing, counting the time from him coming from his base, so he only has about 30-45 seconds of pressure on it usually to use it. Have everyone fall back to tower until he shows himself (Deep wards placed once every 5 minutes helps a ton on this. You only have to get a glimpse of him to know where his threat zone is with it. If he shows bot, he can only make it to mid if he rushes strait there from bot, and he only will have about 10 seconds left on it).

Yes, avoid standing next to a wall. Consider it like a Poppy or Vayne on that matter, go next to wall and die. Only as an ultimate class ability.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

I want to know why it has a large aoe, a much stronger slow and do way more damage than Rumble's ult (It does, Rumble's ult has more base damage but it scales for a maximum of 150% of his AP while Corki's ult scales for a maximum of 750% of his bonus AD and 100% of his AP, even if you take into account that there's less AD than AP in the game, that's an absurd ratio). I know that Rumble can use his more often but Rumble doesn't get a Corki like ult every five minutes either.

Bard in a Diaper1 votes

nah its league of uniqueness now. they are going to keep taking damage off his normal abilities until he sucks EXCEPT when he has his package for BIG LCS plays.

I expect more nerfs to his Q/ult to follow and a buff to the package.

Quantum Lotus1 votes

He has too much damage in his abilities and his auto attacks. Like a hybrid graves but easier to use... All his numbers need fixing.

Robbit Mang1 votes

they nerfed the distance of valkyrie without the passive pretty considerably because of the addition of the package. so they hurt corki outside of whenever he has the package once every 5 minutes

Mirage Vayne1 votes

I think corki should have his old passive, it wasnt anything detrimental

summonermhrysos1 votes

Excuse me,but as a Corki main since season 3 I can confirm that his old passive was the most worthless part of his kit.The only good thing about it was that it sounded scary,that's it. Of course,I know what you think"but it gave his aa true damage!". But then you read the rest of his passive.It scaled with only 10% OF HIS BONUS AD!BONUS.AD.You could litteraly build 1000 bonus ad and you only would of have gotten 100 true damage.Yeah...ask the enemy Malphite or Sion if they gave a shit(no they didn't).

Havenscythe1 votes

The thing is every adc would have been fine right now without the unnecessary buffs.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

Wait, does the package w scale with AP like the normal W? If so, AP CORK INC Corki item 3089

anonymous11111 votes

I know corki is getting a hand slap nerf in the patch, but even still I think the special package could use some tweaks.

rollya1 votes

i agree with op. corki's special delivery is basically rumbles ulti. to me that's unfair at least remove the slow so it doesn't feel impassable.

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