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Riot is not immune to the normal pitfalls of employee competence

OlafRagnarson·6/12/2017, 11:04:17 PM·3 votes·1,083 views

So many of you think they aren't susceptible to incompetence infecting their company.

They are just people. And often in a company people get promoted until they reach a position they they are not competent at. Its called rising to your own level of incompetence. Its a thing and it happens.

You think no one at Riot, in terms of design and balance teams, is in that situation? Clearly there are people who make extremely poor decisions. They reason these boards are so active is because we talk about their poor decisions mostly.

And its not like we haven't been proven correctly time and time again. We have. Riot has been categorically wrong in so many cases that we pointed out, only to have them drag their feet in reverting a change or admitting they messed up.

I think its likely that there are several types of people that keep Riot from being better. I don't care if they generate money. I care about the quality of the game.

A)The person who got promoted to a position beyond their competence. B)The person who knows that if the game always have major problems, they have job security C)The mid or upper management who's ego is too large to the point they care more about their own ego rather than listening to players or making changes that are good for the game D) The inherent bias that some people at Riot have for certain champions, which leaves many champions consistently strong while others get shit on.

But as long as they are making money, they won't change until they NEED to. Just like McDonalds didn't change health wise until there was enough demand and competition ready to meet those healthy food demands.

Financial success does not necessarily mean quality. It CAN but its not a given. Riots performance as a game designer is equivalent to a fast food chain that puts out junk food but makes a lot of money.

37 Comments

Meep Man6/12/2017, 11:10:15 PM1 votes

What exactly are you trying to say?

DrCyanide6/12/2017, 11:19:47 PM1 votes

So many of you think they aren't susceptible to incompetence infecting their company.

...Clearly there are people who make extremely poor decisions. They reason these boards are so active is because we talk about their poor decisions mostly.

And its not like we haven't been proven correctly time and time again. We have. Riot has been categorically wrong in so many cases that we pointed out, only to have them drag their feet in reverting a change or admitting they messed up.

There are times when the community is correct about how something will turn out, and there are times when Riot is correct about how something will turn out. Remember the whole "blast cones will favor Ranged champions, this is Ranged favoritism!" fiasco? Riot said there wasn't a meaningful difference in the two, and look at it today. Skarner's "Dominion Lite" Passive was one I think a lot of the community saw coming that Riot tried to convince themselves was a good idea.

In general, I think the people working at Riot Games have reasons they came to the conclusion they did before making a change. Yes, it might have been a wrong reason or didn't end up like they thought it would, but they had a reason.

I feel like as often as you see people trying to defend everything Riot does you see people trying to crucify them over everything they do. How many times have posts come up asking for a Riot employee to be fired or worse over a mistake they made? We can scarcely get that in Politics for serious mistakes, and they want it for a minor change to a video game!

Even if you assume someone working at Riot is incompetent in their promoted position, what do you want them to do about it? It seems like you'd have to keep playing musical chairs until you find someone who's somewhat better at that promoted position, or you'd have to train the person in the promoted position better.

Mig896/12/2017, 11:39:08 PM1 votes

No.

SwiftKitten886/13/2017, 12:11:02 AM1 votes

the main issue i have is riot's balance team is too small. the have over 140 champions and they have how many people on thier balance team?

there is ZERO way they have a good idea about the state of every champsion.. LEt ALONE how to fix them...

i have over 1000 games on nidalee.. i know her inside and out. i can and HAVE pridicted how EVERY change ever put to pbe would affect her without ever having PBE access. (except twice but honestly NO ONE predicted those 2 times, so i dont feel bad about that)

lets take Azir ... he has been broken since they day he was released. he was always either OP or complete trash... and for the past YEAR he has been complete trash.

is that batter than having him banned every game, yes... but he pretty much doesn't exist.

NO CHAMPSION should sit at below 45% for OVER A SINGLE PATCH in EVERY ELO.

now do i know how to fix him? no of course i don't... but im sure as hell there about 50+ azir mains each who have DOZENS of ways to do it.. but does riot bother to try to talk to them? Not that i can see.

I have pointed out how each change would effect nidalee before it went live.

i have posted over SIX differe't way u can fix nidalee during her jungle rollercoaster ride.

but did riot try a SINGLE ONE? nope..

they NEED TO LISTEN to the players who MAIN the champsion. and not just ONE, ten fifty , 200. they NEED to get opinions from the players who MAIN the champsion.

rek'sai was my main jungler in season 4-5, but i stopped playing her in season 6... WHY? because the RUINED the REASON why i play her... it wasn't about her winrate.. she had a 48% winrate... in every elo... and that viable enough.. i quit her because they made her BORING to play. they DESTROYED every FUN aspect about her.

thier balance team doesnt seem to CARE about what they do to the champion as long as they can get people to stop calling it "OP"

i mean that why Shaco mains are complaining about him needing a buff we he has a bloody 53% winrate... he donest need a buff.. he needs a NERF.. but a NERF that will make shako player's FEEL like they got the champsion they loved back.

HalcyonDweller6/18/2017, 5:12:35 AM1 votes

We ran out of space to reply in the other comment chain. so here:

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On my own posts I am the ultimate authority on what I would consider trolling.

There's where you're wrong.

Simply because someone is against you does not make them a troll. You're misusing the definition of troll.

"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement."

I'm not doing any of this for the purpose - nor with the intention - of provoking or disrupting anything. I'm challenging you because I disagree with your statements about what I should or shouldn't do (side with the players automatically) as a player and member of this community.

You are a troll because you reworked the definition of generalizing AND decided unilaterally that its always wrong, and therefore me generalizing anything makes whatever point was made invalid.

You assume I changed the definition of generalization on purpose. I simply made a mistake and misused it. I backed off that line of reasoning yet you still persist after it. Arguing that someone is wrong because of a fallacy is actually poor argument. I's a fallacy fallacy, wherein you claim that an argument is invalid simply because it committed a fallacy. This is not the case though.

OlafRagnarson6/20/2017, 3:52:43 PM1 votes

"You assume I changed the definition of generalization on purpose. I simply made a mistake and misused it. I backed off that line of reasoning yet you still persist after it. "

That was everything. You have no argument without that misuse.

HalcyonDweller6/21/2017, 3:56:51 PM1 votes

Moved because we ran out of reply space.

{quoted}

On my own posts I am the ultimate authority on what I would consider trolling.

There's where you're wrong.

Simply because someone is against you does not make them a troll. You're misusing the definition of troll.

"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement."

I'm not doing any of this for the purpose - nor with the intention - of provoking or disrupting anything. I'm challenging you because I disagree with your statements about what I should or shouldn't do (side with the players automatically) as a player and member of this community.

You are a troll because you reworked the definition of generalizing AND decided unilaterally that its always wrong, and therefore me generalizing anything makes whatever point was made invalid.

You assume I changed the definition of generalization on purpose. I simply made a mistake and misused it. I backed off that line of reasoning yet you still persist after it. Arguing that someone is wrong because of a fallacy is actually poor argument. I's a fallacy fallacy, wherein you claim that an argument is invalid simply because it committed a fallacy. This is not the case though.