Where are the reworks for champions that actually need one!

Nicholi Aeronus··4 votes·723 views

Just curious I love GP and have stayed awake at night waiting for Fiora's rework. When Ryze got his all i could think of is why? He wasnt toxic and was viable the way he was while other champs kits are just completely antiquated or dont meet the goals expected of the champion. Riot please start giving the love to the ones who need it. Seriously though where is the rework for previously mentioned?

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SEKAI4 votes

I would always stand by my opinion that Lee Sin needs a rework, it would only benefit us all, in the long run.

Laughing Fish4 votes

The more broken a champion the harder the rework. they can pump out several reworks like Ashe and Ryze while working on a sion sized rework for people like poppy.

Teridax683 votes

If a rework is ready to ship, there's no real reason to hold it back, and some reworks likely got released before others because one or more designers happened to have good ideas for changes at the right time. Alongside that, though, champions like Gangplank and Ryze have been worked on for quite some time, and at that stage it depends on the champion itself. Ryze's problem boiled down to just gameplay, where the lack of peaks and valleys in his power, as well as 100% complete reliability, made him extremely flat and impossible to buff, and so it's likely his rework ended up being a matter of parceling his power better. Gangplank, on the other hand, has some deeper problems: his kit lacks gameplay cohesion, despite having a good running theme, and the most iconic parts of his kit (his Q crit and oranges) also run the risk of being extremely low on interaction. Rioters have mentioned that they're working on him, but it's likely his rework will take more time than Ryze's from start to finish, since they need to make him interesting and fun for everyone, while still keeping as many of the quirky bits of his kit as they can.

On the extreme end of the scale, some of the most urgent reworks are also the most difficult: Yorick , Urgot and Poppy have problems that go way beyond even GP or Fiora , and have been in desperate need of a rework for years, yet doing so would require Sion levels of work for each of them. All of them are probably being overhauled even now, except we'll only see the results in a year, or two or three. Seeing how quick partial reworks like the recent Veigar , Zilean and Mordekaiser changes had mixed results, I'd rather Riot took the time to change a champion comprehensively and in one go, while trying to make that champion the best it can be, than they tried to just fix the most broken bits and left them half-done.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

Actually Ryze was in a state where he was either so strong he completely dominated the field, with inescapable abilities, or he was underpowered and couldn't really do much. When a champ runs into that problem, and only requires minimal changes to fix them/make them more balanced, then they will probably tackle that situation first (like Ashe, for instance)

Nicholi Aeronus1 votes

Ryze with his limited range had counter play options and lacked mobility. He couldnt pressure the map like many APC and he was not even close to all or out champ. Nothing they changed shows that as well. They pretty much decided to make his q a skill shot and watch the passive. They added skill and mechanics to an early champ that didnt have much. If fed yeah he scales hard cause he can build tanky and not have to sacrifice damage due to adding it through his mana pool. Which is exactly how they left him. It was more just to add zing to a champ that was made before this game had so much structure to it. Which is fine I would like to see more of this than a new champ any time soon. I want to see old ones adjusted and those that need reworks to get them. The problem is I'm not seeing the reworks that have been announced forever ago but still havent seen anything.

The Bearded Bard2 votes

Yorick should be ahead of all now that Sion's been done. His kit is literally broken, the ghouls never target what you want them to target.

Annunziato1 votes

I think that would be easily changed by just a QoL update rather than a complete rework.

AtheosisX2 votes

There are dozens of champs that need reworks, and the easy ones like Ashe and Ryze naturally will come sooner than the big projects. GP might be a minor rework or a major one, it's hard to know.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

Why does Fiora need a rework?

DJ Di01 votes

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Why does Fiora need a rework?

Too feast or famine imo.

Either she loses her lane and doesn't really do much but push towers, or she snowballs and easily gets multiple kills with her ult.

Nicholi Aeronus1 votes

Its partly due to that and how lack luster she is in general. She is a typical AD caster that doesnt have much in terms of skills. They want to play up more to the fencer duelist style she is centered around. I remember reading over a year ago how they were talking of making her ult just her other abilities become rapid fire with little/no cool downs and balancing her other abilities around that. GP needs one way more just cause his kit is alot of do a little of everything but not very good at anything.

The Bíg Ticket1 votes

There are lots of champs like that no?

DanofDemacia1 votes

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Too feast or famine imo.

Either she loses her lane and doesn't really do much but push towers, or she snowballs and easily gets multiple kills with her ult.

Her winrate says other wise

Abyssphere1 votes

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Her winrate says other wise

He didn't say she was useless. He said she's either terrible or really strong. Her win rate is only a measure of how many games in which she is either really strong or terrible, so does nothing to disprove his point.

AFK Push1 votes

Because thematically she is a fencer, someone who is designed to excel in 1v1s specifically. I know they nerfed her ult, but when a Fiora gets ahead she nukes the whole enemy team effectively 1v5ing. She shouldn't be able to do this as a fencer/duelist it doesn't make sense.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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Why does Fiora need a rework?

multiple reasons. it comes down to that her kit doesnt fit the theme of the champion. shes not much of a duellist, or melee carry like intended. but rather plays like an assassin without escape. which makes her sub par to other assassins.

she goes in, blows her cooldowns and prays that the damage is enough to burst her target down.

they wanted to change her more into a mobile carry like yasuo, who excells at controlling the distance between her and her opponent, and takes a lot of quick reaction and mechanical skill to play. go in, trade a couple strikes, and get back out.

her w was supposed to be turned into a mini kayle ult for that purpose, making her briefly invulnerable. so shes able to block attacks and spell projectiles with it.

her reworked ult was supposed to put all of her base abilities on an extremely short cooldown. in the range of .5 seconds, with an ammo system attached. meaning she could cast up to a certain number of spells in rapid succession.

Bears Dont Care1 votes

WW still waiting ona rework.

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