Please stop suggesting Malzahar as a general counterpick to Assasins.

Coronet·5/14/2018, 3:35:48 PM·3 votes·1,361 views

Big topic on these boards recently has been the rise of assasins and people asking how to deal with them.

One of the things suggested most often is to pick Malzahar Malzahar into them.

Get it through your brain. Malzahar doesn't counter assasins. Not all and not the most popular. The notion he does is just a cliche people repeat without any regard to actual data.

Yes, Malzahar **used to ** counter Assasins, when his damage was a) actually strong, before nerfs and b) 50% of his damage output in lane wasn't tied to voidlings that die to literally every single AoE ability.

Here are his win rates against assasins as of now (champion.gg, plat+):

Talon: 45.45 % win rate (!) ... yes, Talon shits on Malzahar Ahri: 46.74% win rate (!) ... Ahri too shits on Malzahar Katarina 49.02% ... Katarina favoured matchup, and I believe a good Kat against a good Malzahar is even worse for Malz Zed 49.03%

Malzahar has positive win rates against four assasins:

Akali 57.3% ..._ but we know she is up for an VGU_ LeBlanc 55.13% ... this one holds true, Malz has always been good against her.

Fizz... 50.96% Ekko... 50.96%

So of the lane assasins listed here, Malzahar counters exactly two of them - Akali and Leblanc. He has favourable matchup against Fizz and Ekko, has disadvantage against Zed and Katarina and gets bodied by Talon and Ahri.

Please stop suggesting Malzahar as a general Assasin counterpick. He used to be that. Six months ago.

11 Comments

Killer of Night95/14/2018, 3:50:33 PM3 votes

Let's be honest.. Malzhar assasin counterpart is all in his ult but: item 3140 Kill that counterpart and item 3155 kill totally malzhar damage. So yes malzhar is used to counter assassin but he has counterplay and without his R he lack the damage for killing them before they kill him. His passive also is not that worth to make him survive expecially by zed ult and getting a zhonya would delete one item from his build that actually work fine on him and would delay his rilay+lyandri powerspike delaying also his mana item.

Mataka Tek5/15/2018, 3:16:09 AM2 votes

It is unfortunate but true. Most people don't know it but Malzahar is way too turret dependent now. The one defense Malz has from any turret dive is his ult... and the hope that he can pin his enemy under his own turret. QSS essentially destroys that.

Every assassin knows it too. Lately, Talon has been crushing him. Forget any chance of top lane... they heal so much damage its almost impossible to get anywhere.

Basically, Malzahar is a Midlane with support level power. And it totally sucks.

We have Talon's running around getting 28 kills.

Hey Riot... whats the AVG Max # kills for Talon, Yasuo, Zed vs Malzahar? Hey, how many PENTAS does Malzahar get vs Akali, Kat, Zed...

Its pathetic. Meanwhile, his passive does not help him with CC anymore because everything from a fart to a whisper pops it. Even running banshee doesn't help since a small percent of damage penetrates to pop it too.

Its so moronic that everything is designed to prevent Malzahar from gaining any kind of legitimate foothold to challenger play.

AlienPrimate5/14/2018, 3:52:26 PM2 votes

I pick Taric against Zed and Talon and laugh at their uselessness.

Xilixer5/16/2018, 2:41:01 AM1 votes

yes the counter assassin malzahar we know and love is completely gone. his damage is way to low to reliably 1v1 anyone mid anymore.

Kaioko5/14/2018, 3:47:19 PM1 votes

Just play something like Annie or Kayle if it's any of the melee ones.

KZ Engel5/16/2018, 2:46:35 AM1 votes

no one counters talon right now (when the hell did that happen lmao), but Vladimir is generally good against all the other ones

monoscape5/14/2018, 4:33:40 PM1 votes

They just buy QSS and Malz becomes a pile of floating gold

Vlada Cut5/14/2018, 4:40:50 PM1 votes

Tbh I use Camille against Talon or Zed. Sometimes ekko but usualy ends up in my favor.