so why are zed and lee sin recommended? [sg-zephyr]
they are mechanical hard champs i'm not sure if the "who to play" changes every week or if perma but they should not be recommended to new players imo they way to hard mechanically but maybe riot is just taking "fun" champs idk just persoaanlly think this could be improved and changed but good to see they have things like this for new players now.
Doge20204 votesI think it’s to show that the player can also choose mechanically hard champs to play if they already got their micro down, or if they want to experiment with more mechanically intense champs.
It’s giving an option for players to branch out instead of staying to the old, simple and arguably boring champs.
Spearki2 votesIf they already got their micro down, or if they want to experiment with more mechanically intense champs.
new players wont have micro down not even when they reach 30 unless they were high rating in another moba and i don't think they would have much fun getting killed over and over again bc their champ is to hard to mechanically manage
Doge20201 votesTrue. But you do have to remember that there are people that probably like to learn a more mechanical based champ rather than a simple one while they are learning the game
Spearki2 votesa lot of times its just to overwhelming which is the reason they didn't allow new players to edit runes in the first place some champs with high mechanical "requirement" might make it too overwhelming while trying to learn everything else that's going on around the map etc.
Warlord Rhinark2 votesI think it’s to show that the player can also choose mechanically hard champs to play if they already got their micro down, or if they want to experiment with more mechanically intense champs.
It’s giving an option for players to branch out instead of staying to the old, simple and arguably boring champs.
And yet new players still can't edit runes until level 15.
ZaFishbone2 votesZed "mechanical hard champ" LOL!
Ult->AA->Ignite = Kill.
DoomRPG1 votesUnless your monsterously fed you can't kill anyone from 100-0 with ult > AA > ignite
Now maybe if they had less then 100%, or your respectably fed you can kill them with
Ult > Q >E+auto > ignite
ZaFishbone1 votesUnless your monsterously fed you can't kill anyone from 100-0 with ult > AA > ignite
Now maybe if they had less then 100%, or your respectably fed you can kill them with
Ult > Q >E+auto > ignite
Maybe i was exaggerating just a bit, but zed really is VERY forgiving right now. It's a natural consequence of his mobility tool being on a very long cooldown, they have to make it easy to use efficiently when it is up. And from my experience, you really don't need to hit with all three E, Q and auto if they aren't at 100%. With R and ignite, just 2 of those are enough.
DoomRPG1 votesFair enough. Maybe I'm biased as a zed main, but I personally consider Zed's both ease of kill and having an easier time with finish. (A Zed can W E AA a 35% squishy to kill em. A talon still probably needs his Q or R. All other factors are equal of course) As a sort of strength unique to him.
Given that he tends to be screwed over hardest by "FUCK YOU!" Ults like Lissandra (again in my opinion) it's a trade off.
ZaFishbone1 votesFair enough. Maybe I'm biased as a zed main, but I personally consider Zed's both ease of kill and having an easier time with finish. (A Zed can W E AA a 35% squishy to kill em. A talon still probably needs his Q or R. All other factors are equal of course) As a sort of strength unique to him.
Given that he tends to be screwed over hardest by "FUCK YOU!" Ults like Lissandra (again in my opinion) it's a trade off.
The problem with quite a few mid assassins is that they have so much of their power budget put into their ults, so if you have one ability that can counter it they are screwed. To compensate for this, Rito gives them the ability do deal a HUGE amount of dmg if they land it, which creates a frustrated feeling for their opponents.
I actually remember seeing, a few months or maybe a year ago, a AMA by a zed main who had just hit Master, i think. He complained that the W has such a long cooldown at early levels, that you can't afford to blow it.
SintaxHeiror2 votesBecause "new players" means open-minded students of the game, and unlike many veterans of gaming, are more apt at learning complex and complicated possibilities through experimentation and intuition.
My pre-teen daughter who has never played a PC game except some web browser flash based games at public library's has started playing league recently, and she's already executing full-combo's on Ahri and Lux with no direction except "Cool! Can you do it faster?"
In a few months, she'll probably be kicking my Gold ass.
Someone telling her "No, you shouldn't play that, its too hard for you." is exactly the kind of shitty mentorship that convinces people to settle for mediocrity and I really hope you never use this style of tutelage on anyone.
New players are kids and adults from all kinds of levels of experience and skill, and exposing them to a wide range of possible options doesn't condescend and undermine their learning curve. Every champion in league has their own nuances to learn, and there's no better avenue to mastery than trial by fire. Getting your hands on something cool and attractive is a lot more useful towards recruiting and retaining new players than something "simple and easy".
Also, you're in no position to be a reliable judge of what is or isn't beyond others' capabilities. Zed may be "simple and easy" to some where Sona is not. That's just how it is sometimes.
Spearki1 votesyet 99% of the player base can't even understand the basic of the game and you telling me that opening new players up to some of the harder mechanically champions in the game will make them better at the game?
i don't think you ever coached ppl nor watching real coaches playing less mechanically champions opens ppl up to actually learn the game and under stand the basics instead of struggling around on champs (ahri isn't mechanically hard in the same way zed is ).
its great she can hit skill shots etc but putting in one of the hardest jgls in the game for new players that can't even edit runes is kinda dumb then they might as well allow ppl to use runes at lvl 1.
I also think you forget how the west culture is ppl are quick at giving up when they get bashed by smurfs and other ppl while if they do some what decent they will have fun and improve to some degree without even knowing it.
playing mechanically hard champs can actually make ppl not want to play the game cuz they will get stomped too hard ( doesn't always happen of cuz there are exceptions and there is ppl with natural god like skills) but in general it isn't the best idea.
SintaxHeiror2 votesyou're in no position to be a reliable judge of what is or isn't beyond others' capabilities.
Nor are you an expert on coaching or parenting.
People who give up when they struggle learn that behavior. Usually from people who respond negatively to failure.
There's a huge difference between playing the game and learning the game.
New players are not expected to learn how to play high level competitive League of Legends. They're expected to play a video game, and are handed tools by Riot that may entice them to willingly and earnestly keep playing. Nothing more. They have the data on what works and what doesn't. Zed is cool, stylish, and attractive, and they have reason to believe its valuable to recommend him.
Stop looking at the new player experience from an experienced players' perspective. Your expectations are flawed.
New players at this stage in the games life cycle are very likely people who have never heard the term "smurf" outside of the blue dwarfs from the cartoon/movies, and they'll be playing against bots for quite some time. If they skip straight into PVP, they'll be playing with/against mostly others who struggle to remember where their hand is supposed to rest on the keyboard.
The whole point of a "New Player Experience" is to attract the people who aren't already "in the know" (and those who have been on-the-fence or opposed to a lesser degree). Its for people who saw an advertisement and got curious, or were recommended by a friend, or saw a youtube/twitch channel personality they frequent trying it out for the first time and wanted to join in.
Not people looking to win. People looking to play a fun game.
Zed is fun. Lee Sin is fun. Flashy play makers sell games.
Spearki1 votesand they'll be playing against bots for quite some time. If they skip straight into PVP, they'll be playing with/against mostly others who struggle to remember where their hand is supposed to rest on the keyboard.
well sadly you don't even know how the matchmaking system works they will get a lot of smurfs for their first 10games and a lot of new players jump into pvp the only ppl that don't normally is ppl that has experince in other games and understand they need to learn in bot games first,
i have had ppl quit the game in my games and not come back to league just cuz they got stomped so fk hard .
also i do have experience in coaching both ppl that never played the game before and alrdy experienced players i'm not talking out my ass i'm talking from personal experience, i can get behind the idea new players like flashy plays etc and that those champ might attract them but the is a line between flashy plays and getting demotivated for getting killed over and over etc.
but i get where you coming from with all the cool highlights and montage with zed and lee sin plays since they played a lot competitive and high elo but maybe making new players buy the champs if they want try them would be fine so they can get eased into the game a bit before playing those champs.
Pixie Storm1 votesI have a problem with Riot trying to introduce mechnically intensive champions to players. My best friend was a bit difficult to teach because she wanted to use these difficult champions. Eventually I sat her down and pat her down into easier champions, warwick, nunu, yi, and miss fortune. From there, she picked up Xayah, then Kai'sa.
Spearki1 votesyeah a lot of ppl i think its better for them to pick up easier champs and get eased into the game having fun on those champs then learning the harder champs after :D