In what situation would you actually want to pick Kayn?

SIayton·8/6/2017, 9:33:59 AM·6 votes·2,888 views

Honest question here, I've been playing Kayn a ton in ranked and looking at him objectively, I can't think of a situation where you would say "damn, this comp really needs someone like Kayn to fill it out!". Before Kayn transforms, he's pretty lackluster and pretty much can't fight any champions 1v1 in the jungle. His ganks are not strong, and while he can come in from weird places, he lacks the CC and damage to close it out consistently.

Now, his transformations have some redeeming qualities but even then, they are out-shined by other champions that aren't gated by a transformation mechanic. Want a CC bruiser? There are way better champions to pick from than Rhast. Want a mobile burst damage jungle assassin? Khazix does his job better than him without transforming AND can solo dragon, Kayn cannot (at least not without taking serious damage / risk). Want to split push with assassin form? Yi can do that better and faster.

Honestly, Kayn just feels weak and lacking in really solid strengths. Assassin form has high burst damage but lacks escape after he's finished the job, and Rhast is just ok, a decent bruiser with some CC gated behind a very weak untransformed Kayn. So really, when would ever actually want to pick him other than the fact that you just like Kayn as a character and don't mind having weaker tools in order to play him?

IMO untransformed Kayn needs a couple of buffs moreso than his transformations.

Also the transformation mechanic is kind of wonky. It makes you think that building up to whatever form you want by killing melee / ranged makes a difference but in reality everything filling up his transformation bar doesn't matter except for the final kill you get that puts it over the edge. You can kill a bunch of melee guys, then when it's almost full, kill an ADC and magically you can turn into the assassin form. Seems kind of counter-intuitive to me.

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oSEXYPLATYPUSo8/6/2017, 9:44:08 AM3 votes

apparently due to what i see is you pick him no matter what your team comp is or the enemy

waiting for WoW8/6/2017, 9:48:36 AM1 votes

Kayn is strong if played right.

I think the reason you might think he is weak is because most people expect new champs to be OP asf but Kayn is one of the more balanced releases.

TheDesoIation8/6/2017, 10:41:17 AM1 votes

i think he just doesn't fit the meta right now because he's a jungler and as far as i know the only way lane kayn works if going death fire touch on mid and maxing W but in the jungle he just doesn't fit right now because he isn't good with cinderhulk and doesn't have cc and all the junglers right know are cinderhulk tanks

Yaskamasandwich8/6/2017, 6:16:13 PM1 votes

Kayn is good and balanced, the reason to pick him is his adaptation over other champions. Most of the times Rhaast is more useful but sometimes Shadow Kayn is the better pick. The problem I see with Rhaast specifically is the fact that he needs a lot of items with a lot of CDR. The average amount I've seen Rhaast carry around is 50% to 60%. Now Riot is never going to reduce CDR, but in next season they're releasing that Rune that gives bonus AD + AP for excessive CDR. I suspect his winrate will increase after he gets his claws on that Rune. Especially since Rhaast heavily relies on a lot of AD and CDR. Can train with him now to be better prepared next season to fight as and against him.

Also if you love scythes then he is the best option.

Jacknife8/6/2017, 8:31:03 PM1 votes

I'll agree with untransformed kayn needing some type of buff, and the transformation mechanic being weird. For his early ganks, yeah they kinda suck. The opponent laner basically has to be around half health or below in order to close anything out.

I will say this though. A good Kayn cannot be peeled off their target. Play it right and even Janna won't be able to do anything about their adc getting murdered in front of them.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku8/6/2017, 9:25:39 PM1 votes

In what situation would you actually want to pick Kayn?

U are first pick, and so, u don't know ennemy comp. Kayn is versatil and can adapt his build.

Khazix does his job better than him without transforming AND can solo dragon, Kayn cannot (at least not without taking serious damage / risk).

Whut ? As SA i do it often.

Also the transformation mechanic is kind of wonky. It makes you think that building up to whatever form you want by killing melee / ranged makes a difference but in reality everything filling up his transformation bar doesn't matter except for the final kill you get that puts it over the edge. You can kill a bunch of melee guys, then when it's almost full, kill an ADC and magically you can turn into the assassin form. Seems kind of counter-intuitive to me.

they 're two bar charging without being visible.

Stars Shaper8/6/2017, 9:26:51 PM1 votes

If there is a sturdy tank with cc in my team already, otherwise things can get difficult (but surely not impossible).

Sire Hippington8/6/2017, 10:22:02 PM1 votes

he's ratehr flexible in terms of teamcomp, his early fighting is rather weak, but his clears are strong and his pathing is awsome so if used well he can deny a lot farm to slower junglers as he clears faster and can get in and out of their jungle pretty easy. He also gets lots of gank opportunities, and even though his ganks are not that dangerous they still apply alot preasure onto enemie laners and if you have a good setup from your lane, you can snowball hard. But the main reason to pick him is that his lategame is really strong while it's hard to shut him early because of his good clears. He's also a strong counter to tank heavy setups, as he out jungles tanks early and rhaast is honestly broken if you face melee heavy comps.

BLACK REALM GOD8/7/2017, 2:23:44 PM1 votes

if your opponents play 5 marksmen.