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Master Yi is Broken Yi

Sylas Dr3gb0urn3··2 votes·2,579 views

Just played a game as Lulu against an enemy MasterYi. Master Yi "earned" (presumably) himself a quadra kill on my teammates while I was pushing top lane. My team pinged that he was on his way to me. I back off into the bush and begin backing. There was an enemy team ward in the bush, so he had clear vision of me. However, before Master Yi could Alpha Strike on me, I polymorphed him successfully (I could see the animation clearly), and then Master Yi Alpha Striked me. After his animation ended, I could STILL clearly see the polymorph animation.

Assuming, (which I HIGHLY doubt... especially after watching the replay) that Master Yi was still in Ult Mode (which makes him immune to SLOWS), Polymorph should still work (Ashes Arrow works everytime regardless of Yi's ult... Malph's Ult works everytime regardless of Yi's Ult.) So... why didn't Lulu's polymorph? Can anyone explain this to me? Because I can't believe that I just gave him a Pentakill... I just really can't. (I can guarantee you that "if I WAS playing Yi", that polymorph would've prevented me from landing Alpha Strike.)

30 Comments

AJ Ferguson3 votes

Master Yi's Alpha Strike has a .125 second cast time/delay. If he presses Q and you polymorph him during those .125 seconds, he will still Alpha Strike, and depending on how long Yi was Alpha Striking, continue to be polymorphed for the remaining duration once Alpha Strike is over. Some people call this "disjointing" the polymorph. This is not a bug and can happen with any CC.

Edit: Here is a video of Cowsep's explanation of "disjointing" with Alpha Strike. (I do not agree with him calling this a bug, other abilities work like this like Ezreal's E.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heneW2EdGzs

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

so basically... the point is, wait for him to alpha strike and then polymorph him.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

For sure. You never use a Lux or Morgana Q before he Alphas. That is how they get practice in dodging skill shots and how they stick onto you.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

True... in this case, I figured Polymorph would give me a second or two to get away, and then since his ult was definitely on cd, i could use my slow to further get away... making him FIGHT hard for that penta by chasing... (In which i would have definitely got away)... But according to this video (which shows its been around for a LOT longer) and the new coding which further HELPS the same issue... I guess not.

Ark Sorcerer2 votes

Fair enough. I hope whatever concerned you had has been... addressed.

Awhegark2 votes

Play another game move on with your life and have condoms ready.

Magical Zoe2 votes

ON ENEMY CAST: Lulu turns the target enemy champion into a harmless critter, polymorphing them and reducing their base movement speed by 60 for a short duration. The slow didn't affect him because of his ultimate.

BlackFlux1 votes

weird. just a slow attached to anything makes the entire move useless...

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

It stops them from using abilities. Like Ahri's Charm, he may go full speed but he won't be using any abilities during that time. (Just think of Rakan ulting a ulting Yi. The chase) That and he can't auto attack so the slow is but again, no one is attacking. Or better yet, fear from Fiddlesticks.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

Thanks for responding but you Still havent really answered my question... bc Yi didnt have his ult

I realize that the slow would be negated (if his ult was active)... However, even with his ult active (which i'm pretty sure i said in the OP that it wasn't), a polymorph is a polymorph... regardless. A polymorph... in any and every other game I have every played means, YOU CANT CAST. And that typically holds true with Lulu's polymorph as well... so why can Yi CAST... is the question. Not (if his ult was active) why didnt it slow him... i know he cant be slowed during an ult... His ult had already been used on the quadra, and was no longer active when he got to me. My question is why can he CAST AT ALL when polymorphed... especially WITHOUT his ult.

Ark Sorcerer2 votes

The delay on your polymorph versus his Q. If you play Lulu, you should know that even though polymorph is a point and click spell, it has a delay. If Yi Q'd right before the physical... debuff.... hit him, he could avoid it and go right into damaging you.

The only problem is you said you see the animation clearly so I don't know if the visual projectile indicator was seen but not if Yi was transformed. If Yi had transformed and he still alpha strike, the only reason why I can think of is because order of coding programming.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

okay that makes a little bit of sense... yes i did see the polymorph animation before and after his alpha strike..

Tranoze1 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heneW2EdGzs And Ability cast is different from channel, you cant cancel it, so as he already casted his Q, there are no way to stop him beside killing him. Example, you (Lulu ) are casting your Q, and during your cast time (like 0.1 seconds or something) even you are stunned your Q still cast. It not Master Yi is broken, but all ability work that way.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heneW2EdGzs And Ability cast is different from channel, you cant cancel it, so as he already casted his Q, there are no way to stop him beside killing him. Example, you (Lulu ) are casting your Q, and during your cast time (like 0.1 seconds or something) even you are stunned your Q still cast. It not Master Yi is broken, but all ability work that way.

yeah that video has already been posted... two days ago... and we have already discussed the rest of this in the comments

ScissorsNstuff2 votes

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Just played a game as Lulu against an enemy MasterYi. Master Yi "earned" (presumably) himself a quadra kill on my teammates while I was pushing top lane. My team pinged that he was on his way to me.

Why was this happening? Why is lulu alone pushing top while her team gets quadrad and why are you pissing yourself over it? Its just a fed yi, youre lulu deal with it.

I back off into the bush and begin backing. There was an enemy team ward in the bush, so he had clear vision of me. However, before Master Yi could Alpha Strike on me, I polymorphed him successfully (I could see the animation clearly), and then Master Yi Alpha Striked me. After his animation ended, I could STILL clearly see the polymorph animation.

Assuming, (which I HIGHLY doubt... especially after watching the replay) that Master Yi was still in Ult Mode (which makes him immune to SLOWS), Polymorph should still work (Ashes Arrow works everytime regardless of Yi's ult... Malph's Ult works everytime regardless of Yi's Ult.) So... why didn't Lulu's polymorph? Can anyone explain this to me? Because I can't believe that I just gave him a Pentakill... I just really can't. (I can guarantee you that "if I WAS playing Yi", that polymorph would've prevented me from landing Alpha Strike.)

master yi is immune to slows

if ability x slows and reduces your damage by 10000% then it wont effect master yi

ashe's ult stuns, not slows.

there is a slow attached but that wont effect master yi.

ahri's charm can slow him down but that makes him move slower which isn't the same as slowing him...

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

Thanks for responding, but i dont think you read my post clearly... and you didnt really answer my question...

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Why was this happening? Why is lulu alone pushing top while her team gets quadrad and why are you pissing yourself over it? Its just a fed yi, youre lulu deal with it.

master yi is immune to slows

It was a 1v4 fight, for one, that later turned into a 2v4 fight... they should've been able to handle that while i solo'd top... Enemy team adc was afk (she quit on her first death)... Enemy team support was dead. They killed Kat before Yi got there... Leaving it as a 2v4 fight... why wouldn't i solo push top? the odds were in our favor... or should have been lol.

And im not "pissing" myself over it... Im simply asking Without his ult, should Yi be able to break a polymorph to cast alpha strike... and master yi is NOT immune to slows unless his ult is active. Which it was NOT. as I stated in the OP.

if ability x slows and reduces your damage by 10000% then it wont effect master yi

ashe's ult stuns, not slows.

there is a slow attached but that wont effect master yi.

ahri's charm can slow him down but that makes him move slower which isn't the same as slowing him...

Ark Sorcerer2 votes

Well don't forget, Lulu's polymorph stops them from attacking- autoing or abilities. The slow is not the issue, the issue is Yi should be just standing there just staring into space as he patiently and excitedly waits for him to get out of a cute creature.

ScissorsNstuff2 votes

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Well don't forget, Lulu's polymorph stops them from attacking- autoing or abilities. The slow is not the issue, the issue is Yi should be just standing there just staring into space as he patiently and excitedly waits for him to get out of a cute creature.

if there is a slow attached to 1000 other effects the slow immunity will ignore ALL effects no matter what the others do. Exhaust also does nothing or it didn't back when it had more abilities

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

if there is a slow.... HIS ULT WAS ON CD>... HE DID NOT USE ULT TO KILL ME... why do you guys keep adding his ult into the equation when i keep saying he didnt have his ult.

Ark Sorcerer2 votes

I don't think Yi ult stops all effects if said ability has a slow. I think he just negates the slow. That's like saying Ashe's auto attack arrows deal no damage when he is ulting mach 22.7 at her.

The best example I can provide is a Kindred E. The slow will not apply but the three hit mark will still be there.

And I am pretty sure if Exhaust weakens auto attack damage, Yi will suffer that (not that it matters all that much).

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

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Well don't forget, Lulu's polymorph stops them from attacking- autoing or abilities. The slow is not the issue, the issue is Yi should be just standing there just staring into space as he patiently and excitedly waits for him to get out of a cute creature.

THIS was kinda my point... since he didnt have his ult... he should have just been standing there staring into space patiently waiting for cute creepy creature mode to end.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

You sound devlish when you say that... like Winter Wonder Lulu and that smile.... terror. Even Nocturne is hesitant.

Anyway, the only real explanation I can give you is the matter of coding with Alpha Strike. There have been times Yi players have said "They were in Alpha" when they got hit by X and promptly died. Riot addressed that and maybe it got the better end with combat with your .... is it W?

Only real explanation I can give.

I was in ARAM where I went on a Kindred and she E'd me. You saw the symbol appear but I Q'd towards her, when I physically reappeared, the symbol was gone. I do not know exactly but it is something like that. I guess. Does that help?

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

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You sound devlish when you say that... like Winter Wonder Lulu and that smile.... terror. Even Nocturne is hesitant.

Yeah, Teemo has nothing on Lulu

Anyway, the only real explanation I can give you is the matter of coding with Alpha Strike. There have been times Yi players have said "They were in Alpha" when they got hit by X and promptly died. Riot addressed that and maybe it got the better end with combat with your .... is it W?

yes it is W.

Only real explanation I can give.

I was in ARAM where I went on a Kindred and she E'd me. You saw the symbol appear but I Q'd towards her, when I physically reappeared, the symbol was gone. I do not know exactly but it is something like that. I guess. Does that help?

Yes, it helps a little... I was thinking it was the coding myself... Lulu should not be blocked with her polymorph that was clearly a polymorph animation both before his alpha strike and after. I have the highlight downloaded to my computer now... which i saved... it was clearly a bug or a mistake... or as you say, a foul up on the coding which resulted in Lulu getting screwed.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

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which resulted in Lulu getting screwed.

Aren't you the Lulu player? Shouldn't it be "me getting screwed"?

Things like this unfortunately happen. It is a video game. It is bound to happen, be it a console, handheld or PC. I can't say which one has bigger issues because that has to deal with the quality of the game more than anything (Sonic '06 anyone?) so it isn't PC specific.

All you can really hope for is that it is not

  1. Game changing--- goes from clear win to a turn around loss.
  2. Happens often.

Unfortunately you will just have to deal with it. I don't mean to be rude at all. I don't. Nonsense like that can be tilting. I had to deal with fair share of problems similarly to me. The best you can do is check and see if it becomes a reoccurring theme and then provide multiple videos as support for Yi's Alpha Strike having a clear dominant coding even though the code of another ability has already hit him. Show enough videos as support, some clear ones where even people who want to depend Master Yi will struggle to without backlash, will admit.

Now unless you are unlucky with that or every time a Yi appears in your game you are checking every time on Alpha Strike, I think that in itself will take a long time.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

Yeah, I saved the video and have a 22 second clip showing it on my computer. I just dont know where to post it, to show it on here. And It wont let me upload it here only. It wants me to post it elsewhere and then link it.

Ark Sorcerer1 votes

I don't know anything about posting videos on this at all so.... ask someone else/Riot?I would like to see the video to see what happened clearly to say either A) it is a bug or B) Timing of Alpha Strike > Lulu's W.

I think even if the video is clear, you will stay down voted (I did not partake in that) because of how "old" this post is. You posting the video now will be for the very few people that search for it or look back at your replies.

Unless you wish to repost this with the video, go ahead, I will comment on it... probably.

Hope that posting video works out for you.

Sylas Dr3gb0urn31 votes

i dont care about the downvoting... i really just wanted help trying to figure it out... let ppl think what they want... it doesnt bother me, if i get the help i wanted. Which... in this case is simply knowledge. The downvote is simply: A.) a circle jerk of yi mains B.) People with issues C.) People who didnt read the OP through to realize I was simply asking for knowledge.

None of which really affects me, or my post, especially when someone like AJ and urself, take the time to actually read the post and my comments.

Ark Sorcerer2 votes

I am glad I was able to somewhat help you get an answer to your question? Did I? I hope with any other future issues you can find others who will take the time to look and answer your questions.

Colton1471 votes

I definitely agree that Yi is incredibly broken...

But sadly, people do not want you to have your own opinion and will harass you for having a different opinion than them.

It is definitely a shame that people would even think about harassing someone for any reason at all.

Yaśuo Main1 votes

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