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I think Ravenous Hunter needs a nerf or rework and here is why

YumaS2Astral·12/10/2019, 7:45:32 PM·19 votes·9,758 views
  1. It is essentially "free spellvamp" - doesn't occupy an item slot like item 3146 does, and in the worst of cases, champions that pick it can just pick Domination as a secondary rune path. Due to the nature of sustain, it makes it the perfect choice for many champions.
  2. It can be combined with Taste of Blood to give even more sustain for champs that pick it. Since both runes are in Domination and in separate rune flows, any champ that wants sustain and isn't an ADC that doesn't rely on on-hit effects can pick this for extra sustain.
  3. It is the only Hunter rune that is not situtional: -- Ingenious Hunter requires you to have a super high reliance on active items for it to be useful; this means the only real users of this would be champions that pick Glacial Augment, or some enchanter supports that buy tons of active items. -- Ultimate Hunter requires you to be a champion that is higly reliant on their ultimate and as such, want them to have as low of a cooldown as possible. Examples of such champs would be Malzahar and Malphite. And even then, Ravenous Hunter isn't an outright inferior choice compared to Ultimate Hunter on them. -- Relentless Hunter is good for roaming, and isn't situtional since every champ can equally make use of it, but for the most part is outclassed by Ravenous Hunter, as sustain >>> movement speed out of combat.
  4. Ravenous Hunter influences the balance issues on many champions. Why I am saying that? Well, would Ryze Ryze still be nerfed if he couldn't pick Ravenous Hunter and have essentially free sustain late game? What about Kassadin Kassadin? Would Zed Zed and Katarina Katarina have such high winrates (according to u.gg) if they couldn't pick Ravenous Hunter and sustain themselves during lane phase? (for Katarina it is even worse since she can combine it with Hextech Gunblade for high amounts of healing) Also, Ravenous Hunter is part of the reason why Aatrox Aatrox heals so much and it feels like Grievous Wounds isn't very useful against him.
  5. It also limits the rune choices of many champions. For example, regarding some of the aforementioned examples: Ryze Ryze would love to be able to pick Precision secondary, for Presence of Mind and Coup de Grace. Combined with Manaflow Band, this would give him even more mana (and damage!). Same thing applies to Kassadin Kassadin except that he would pick Manaflow Band as a secondary rune. Unfortunately Ravenous Hunter is too good to pass up on them, so neither of them picks any other possible alternative runes. Zed Zed would love to make use of Ultimate Hunter since he is reliant on his ultimate, or Relentless Hunter so that he could have better roams. Unfortunately, Ravenous Hunter is required to shrug off harass from mages, so he doesn't pick Ultimate or Relentless Hunter.

31 Comments

Death by Glamour12/10/2019, 8:02:46 PM11 votes

I think that riot forget that they effectively removed spellvamp for a reason, then for some reason added it back into the game.

Crescent Dusk12/11/2019, 4:09:16 AM5 votes

Yasuo exploits the living hell out of this with statikk shiv, every Q it splashes to minions and gives him a metric ton of sustain. Akali with Gunblade is also completely noxious with this.

At least Katarina needs to commit to melee range, but these other champs have a really easy time weaving in and out.

rosès12/11/2019, 2:02:48 AM4 votes

Half of the champs in the game run secondary runes taste of blood and ravenous hunter,ofc its not balanced

Garen is adopted12/10/2019, 11:50:31 PM3 votes

the answer is yes, they should be nerfed, ravenous hunter is not teh reason why they are good or even decent, in a whole game you would get a medium of 1000 health, which spoiler, you get a at least 1500 with conq which is proc only on champions. The health you get from that rune is not as powerful, is just like you would have an regen item what acutally require you to hit a lot of things to proc it. Taste of blood will give you more heal in a proc than gives ravenous hunter in like a minute and half.

Bârd12/11/2019, 8:52:44 AM2 votes

Ingenious Hunter isn't a much of a situational rune.

It applies to your trinket, meaning it's good on basically everyone. It's better with more actives, but it's really good even just with your trinket.

Sire Hippington12/10/2019, 11:21:37 PM2 votes

I don't think ravenous is that much of an issue. Kasadin, Zed and kata don't even get that much out of it, and ryze has plenty off other issues anyway. I also don't think it's a big factor on Aatrox. Don't forget, unlike conqueror, ravenous only is 33% effective for aoe. so it's only ~4.6% heal on most skills. For Aatrox with conqueror, he heals for 45% of his damage already, so it's ~9% more healing compared to without it(49.6% instead of 45%), so revitalize gives him more healing below 40% hp ontop of better regen, more healing from the passive and more healing from allie heals. Add in a deaths dance and ravenous gets even less relevant for him.

It's rarly a big factor for laneing when sustain is the most impactfull due to the stacking part(unless an early bot fiesta escalates or something), and later on most champs usually profit more from the other options. And if Zed can't go for other options despite wanting them cause of mage harras, isn't that more a sign that mage harras is to oppresive and zed lacks other options against it? Though in my ecperience a good zed can easily go without it and get the better options...

I also don't see how one can complain about the spelvamp rune but be fine with legend bloodline, the 12% lifesteal that can be obtained just by farming are much more impactfull and already have sigifican't impact in lane where it's often at +5% befor the first item is finished, which paired with a dorans and conqueror adds up to alot sustain.

Séance12/11/2019, 4:52:20 AM1 votes

Nobody is using it to sustain in laning phase mate. It's like 1.5% -4%- 6.5% during laning phase. Basically nothing. most champions pick it for far later in the game. If you want to mess with early game sustain Taste of blood is a far bigger offender

RyzeRework12/11/2019, 5:34:08 AM1 votes

It's not even that strong relentless hunter is taking in most assassins/junglers because it's so much more meaningful and ryze is taking conquer with mana band and w.e secondary

Hi im 1212/11/2019, 8:42:37 AM1 votes

a lot of junglers can't really jungle without it, I would love to take ultimate or relentless hunter on khazix, ekko or karthus but you just can't sustain your clears without ravenous. removing ravenous would gut a lot of champions (mostly junglers) but if they were buffed I would be down for this, it would be very difficult to balance these champions though.

NuggetMilk12/11/2019, 8:48:26 AM1 votes

Zed tends to take ultimate hunter over ravenous anyways. Removing it wouldn't harm him too much. I also think Kat and Aatrox wouldn't be hit too hard. As for Kass and Ryze, I'm pretty sure they take the domination tree for taste of blood, and would continue to take it after ravenous' removal.

Horızen12/11/2019, 10:08:45 AM1 votes

Personally, I rarely used this rune because as a Zed player, I preferred Ingenious Hunter's item active cooldown reduction over that slight bit of sustain. I thought it was the better choice overall as I typically went a full lethality build unless conditions forced me to go Black Cleaver over Edge of Night. This was before Edge of Night's active was changed to a passive so essentially, I had a movespeed boost and spell shield every 20~ish seconds which was incredibly helpful mid - late game.

GodlyBane12/12/2019, 4:55:16 AM1 votes

Im fine with it, enemy and ally alike. Dont remove it.

wolvius12/11/2019, 12:31:07 AM1 votes

Yeah ravenous hunter could do with some nerfs, my most difficult choice with thresh in aram is do I give up precision secondary (triump and tenacity) this match for basically being able to heal to full off aa'ing creeps.

Something should definitely be done for those like thresh, morde, teemo who heal off AA'ing minions due to having magic damage on autos.

If it was purely spells I wouldn't have so much against it but its "on-hit" portion only seems to apply to magic damage irks me. Says on-hit but isn't garen Q on-hit damage except physical as opposed to thresh E being magic damage.

Śhunpo12/11/2019, 1:29:59 AM1 votes

Katarina doesn't really run Ravenous most of the time. Ingenious/Relentless is better.

LordGeovanni12/10/2019, 9:16:27 PM1 votes

why we nefed Conqourer so that it does the same thing but needs to stack