...it used to be 75% supp, pretty equal mix everywhere else. Now, if I had to guess, I get 70% jung, 10% ADC, 10% supp, 7% top, 3% mid. Jung is in a BAD spot and people really don't want to play it.
Any other fill players seeing the same thing, or is it just prioritizing jung for me more because I've played it a lot in the past?
I main jungle for 3 reasons:
yeah ranked is stupid right now and no one wants to jg because being a jungler is dumb unless you feel like playing noskill op champs like yi or hec
I'm not surprised so many people don't want to play this role. Jungle is such a volatile position to play. Making just one mistake in the jungle can lead you to a downward spiral of uselessness that is further amplified in this snowball meta.
Yeah. Jungle is in a pretty rough spot at the moment. In my opinion one of the heavy reasons is that the variety of champions for jungle is close to non existing. In other words, junglers can't play what the WANT, rather what they HAVE to play. In example, when was the last time you saw an utility jungler (such as Ivern) in jungle that did good against a heavy early game monster such as Rek'Sai, Jarvan, Hecarim or Kayn? After they changed Camille's E taking her out of jungle i feel like people forgot the power of early game junglers. I remember back then the team that had to play against Camille wouldn't be going anywhere further than their turret due to the threat she opposed. Nowadays while scutle has been moved to 3:15 and is not an early game priority, junglers are forced to invent new paths that will make them benefit from farming if they are unable to gank. That's why in high elo, junglers are forced to play for their red side jungle cause golems and raptors give the most amount of gold and xp forcing them to move around the red side jungle all the time and hope that the closest lane to red side jungle has lane priority or any sort of engage so they can proift out of ganking
No, happened to me too. I find it shocking that when I put supp as my secondary and ADC as my primary I somehow still get auto filled JG more often than I feel i should. (am permanently autofill protected now though since I became a yuumi one trick lol)
I do supp/fill(because I suck at everything not support equally) I haven't had to do anything but support in MOOOOONTHS lol
Personal experience: I've been a jungle main since season 4. Since season 4, I climbed each season to Platinum, with about 60% winrate, on Warwick (1 Million mastery on him) This season, I did climb to plat (then got back to bronze because transfer to NA and back means you get Plat --> Bronze overall), now in gold 2.
But I had only about 52% winrate playing jungle, much lower than before. And playing jungle feels AWFUL especially since the last patch jungle change (scuttler spawn later, etc). I had soooooo many games where I give a HUGE early lead to my team, like 3 infernal drakes + rift herald, good ganks, etc.... but then somehow I lose. I feel like it's the coin flip: who's got the better carry, when I play jungle.
So I started playing mid (after maining jungle and OTP ww for 5 seasons), and over 80 games I am 60% winrate, and even when the team is behind I can carry and it is much, muuuuuuuccccchhhhh less frustrating.
Jungle this season, and even more so since last patch, is awful garbage.
Maybe it is because Match Making is so fucked (at least in my elo, around Platinum), that basically the laners will have a huge skill gap. So it doesn't matter if you give the lead or not, the better carry will win the game. So to win, you need to play carry. Playing support or jungle this season doesn't work, because "giving an advantage" to a much worse carry won't help. You'll give them 6 free kills, drake and rift herald, they will still be half cs behind, and they will give shut down gold by getting outplayed our getting caught for no reason. Or maybe the jungle nerf (gold, exp) makes it that you're far behind laners, I don't know.
Fact is, statistically, I win much more by being the carry myself than giving advantages to my carries this season, in my elo.
And yet I put jungle secondary and ADC primary and get ADC 19/20 games and autofill support the other one.
Stop CJing jungle is in a bad spot. Especially when top ladder players still reach #1 in the jungle role
When I queue for fill I usually get Support (about 70% of the time for me or so). I've had fairly equal dispersion of every other role.
fuck me, but I have been maining jungle for about 5 years and continue to play and carry on it consistently with no problem. Sure, I imagine at the very highest levels of play it should definitely be nerfed, but for regular play I see no problem at all, EXCEPT maybe that catching up when behind IS a tad rough. Going against a mid laner that has 3 levels on you is no fun
That’s all I get when autofilled. I even have support as my secondary yet got jungle 2-3 times in a row.
I mean it’s cool with me I guess, been meaning to pick it back up anyway, just annoying if it were promos.
Even when I fill into another role, I still switch to jungle sometimes because other people get filled there and don't want it. Jungle hasn't been as popular as top/mid over the past year, but I'm kind of shocked at how few people want to deal with it this season.
Having your jungle be so heavily influenced by the solo lanes presence at 3 minutes is just not fun
Thats weird, I picked up jungle a week ago and spammed Kayn to climb from Plat 1 to Diamond 3
47% jungle rate :thinking: (over the last 20 games)... First, you are a fill player, so you have no clue if a position is bad or not. Second statistics show that Jungle is the 3rd most played role in the game right now for really any league on any server. Third, your numbers are completely overinflated. Fourth if you go outside of those 20 games, you are getting the 3 least played roles equally and the top 2 most played rarely. WOW. Who would have thought that fill means you get everything but the 2 most played roles?
Lastly, you are in silver, you are gonna get the first thing that gets you a game. People in silver like yourself think the role is bad, so therefore don't play it. Then you get the role. It isn't in a bad place, not at all, can tell you this as a diamond, soon to be masters, jungle main.
Do you wanna know why silvers think its bad? Look at your last 20 ranked games, if these were diamond+ games every game would be reksai hecarim kindred. Because those champions are amazing, they don't see play in low elo. Its a perspective kind of thing, jungle is in a fine spot.
Oh yes for SURE. Me and my brother exclusively do fill in ranked since we know how to play all rolls. (Only silver 1& 2) but even down here in elo hell where everyone is bad at their main positions no one wants jungle. One of us will always be filled into it. It’s feels REAL bad:( hoping for changes too cuz I like jg 🤷♂️ Just unplayable rn
Jungle is still good. The ppl playing jungle just need to get better. The top 5 rank in NA have 3 jungle mains.
The problem is that the Jungle changes have made "jg difference" way more exaggerated. Because the role has less resources (lower camp exp, longer camp respawns) if you get behind you generally end up staying behind. Plus if all 3 lanes lose (not just being down CS but giving up kills too) there is virtually nothing you can do aside for praying for an enemy mistake and that you are in position to punish it.
I q supp/fill and usually get supp. Haven't had to jung yet.
For me it's about 50/50 Jungle / Supp tbh around the silver - platinum range that I've been through the past couple months
I q supp/mid and am getting mid a good bit now. It feels weird having to prep my secondary role after so long...
I mean Jungle has historically been as popular only slightly more popular than support (unless mages were dominating bot lane). Simply because it's the least rewarding position to play. While support for many doesn't seem enjoyable (unless the above occurs).
There will always be a least favourite or least played role. It doesnt have much to do with the role being bad. I think for a lot of people the main issue is the amount of flame and blame junglers recieve for macro that most likely links back to a mistake of the laners part anyway. There are also plenty of options for champions but they're not seen as "cool" so people dont pick them. Jungle remains one of the most important roles in the game and one that has the most impact throughout the entire game. Perhaps people just cant handle that kind of pressure.
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...it used to be 75% supp, pretty equal mix everywhere else. Now, if I had to guess, I get 70% jung, 10% ADC, 10% supp, 7% top, 3% mid. Jung is in a BAD spot and people really don't want to play it.
Any other fill players seeing the same thing, or is it just prioritizing jung for me more because I've played it a lot in the past?
I cannot say from balance side coz i dont play jung but there is another phenomenon i see more and more often in my games, 180 shift in role execution. I percived junglers as "semi" support role for helping with lane pushing objectives etc, jut get thing rolling but now it oposite junglers dont helping lanes but demandig that we catter to their "i carry or troll" fantasy, god bless junglers doing objectives and excersise pressure on enemy team.
Being a Jungler means being exposed to a lot of pressure, while also arguably demanding a bit more mechanical saavines (when to invade,counter, where to ward, push lane, gank). Personally I leaned from stricly Jungling as Nocturne or Nautilus to taking it very sporadically, because I felt like the champions I prefer to jungle with were left behind. I also find that just how meta your opposing Jungler is to have a tad more impact than any other lane. I don't think I ever stopped playing Naut top/supp regardless of new champions or mechanics being introduced.
I have actually gone from listing Supp to Fill because of how much people hate playing Jungle. I initially learnt Supp to deal with Pick Order Ranked (remember that), to get round filled people tilting or just giving up before the game even started. I have had to learn Jungle for exactly that reason; in the era of nerfed Jungle and full damage Mage Supports (which I do not approve of; I may play Lux, but I play her Max Shield Athene's), a filled Jungler is far more detrimental to the team than a filled Support these days...
