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Position dependent ranked is just baffling to me.

ChaddyFantome·4/26/2018, 12:15:28 AM·21 votes·8,814 views

From what i read, the point of this change was to reward players who play multiple roles and give them a way to feel good/better about it.

As a person myself who plays all roles, but mains Mid and support, this sounded great to me. Its been documented time and time again that one-tricking makes you climb faster, and i personally think that is a problem because it actually shows a flaw in the system if limiting your scope of the game actually gets you higher in ranked.

But that is besides the point.

This change, ironically enough, does the exact opposite of what Riot wants it to do.

By separating each position into different ranks, you are punishing people for playing more than one role, and further encouraging them to just play one. If I know my games playing ADC don't count towards the ones where I play Mid, then why would I ever play ADC?

This system actually DISCOURAGES you from playing more than one role, since the time you spend in each role don't accumulate with eachother but instead are spread thin amongst one another.

Additionally, how does this system accommodate for lane swaps? Either it detects based on your champion (which would be asinine.) or it doesn't leading to tons of trolling/abuse cases in queue.

It just all around sound like a bad idea, and it boggles my mind how little this was thought through.

Unless you get some kind of secret overall Rank from the accumulation of all your ranks, (which would be hella abusable) i don't see how this accomplishes what Riot thinks it's supposed to.

20 Comments

Risen294/26/2018, 2:04:24 AM7 votes

Good point. Its only going to force you to stay in one lane to climb ranked. Its going to increase the likelyhood of people dodging if they don't get thier preferred position because then its just a waste of thier time even if they do win.

And who wants to bet that people start looking down on certain role ranks as not being as legitimate as others? Is a diamond mid going to get taken more seriously than a diamond support or adc?

Right now I dont care if I am getting mid or top as Talon because I can play both equally. I dont see myself as a mid or top laner specifically. This system will force me to focus on only one role or level up twice as slow.

Azadethe4/26/2018, 12:42:34 AM4 votes

I was going to post my own post, but whatever.

I think we need more explanation on how the independent role ranking works.

What happens when your Support rank is Plat I but your Bot rank is Silver IV?

Is there some sort of rank slider that moves all of them closer together as you progress, or do you literally have to play 5 times as many games and attempt all ranks independently?

This is a legitimate concern, because good supports regularly pull 65-70% win rates, which are going to accelerate Support main rankings. Mid Mains and Junglers etc, perform in the 60% or better range.

Me personally? I suck at adc. Even if I win lane hard, I get out of pace with a team and generally don't have tanks to defend me.... Maybe 37% if I'm lucky?

So when I get autofilled into adc, is it going to drag my Support rate down, and Support drag my ADC rate up?

If not...... the OP is right. It's going to condition players to single role, and when they single role, you're going to find that role picks that are unpopular are going to suffer even MORE.

And if rewards are associated with doing well in ALL roles, you're going to find players do not have enough time in a year to accomplish those roles, because you're at least going to have to play three times as many games.

The one good thing that'll come out of this either way: Less filled supports won't get their support items.

(And for the love of..... BRING BACK TRACKER'S so that junglers can have pre level 10 ward coverage. It sucks to jungle in a jungle where you have ONE WARD every 120 seconds when your "lane" is the entire map).

Metal Janna4/26/2018, 3:39:36 PM3 votes

I get what you're saying about it encouraging you to stick with one role. However, I have an alternate theory on how it would work, at least in my case.

You see, I am a support main. I main support because I suck at CS, I like mages, and because assassins absolutely fuck my mage champions over every time. If there were seperate ranks for each role I could have my main role rank, which would be somewhere in silver, and my mid rank, which would likely be bronze. Then I could feel more free to play mid, because i'll be facing bronze midlaners instead of silver midlaners.

The one thing that would be wierd about it would be playing ranked to learn a new role.

Battalion4/26/2018, 2:14:15 PM2 votes

"Phew done with that gold promo for my jungle. I guess I'll practice ADC & Top this year."

loads into silver ranked because who cares its just silver, with a new champion because it doesn't matter anyway

SEKAI4/26/2018, 8:44:01 AM2 votes

When someone says Riot's matchmaking has issues that needs immediate attention, they will find ways to make you hold their beer.

Seeing they made a video about it, it's going to get through. So Imma ask, revert when?

I mean, it's like a perfect shitstorm in the making to anyone who has more than 2 braincells, especially the obvious concerns regarding the fact people may be discouraged from playing more roles rather than encouraged (hence it's counter-intuitive) as nobody wants to grind the same ranked ladder fucking multiple times. And things like how it even accounts for lane swaps? What does it mean for the future development of any meta shifts or is it not ever going to happen now, given they seem to have just taken the 1-1-1-2 meta and completely carved it onto diamonds? And what it means for matchmaking because that literally enables the floodgate to "legal" smurfs, is everyone just gonna be waiting around for their high elo players to carry them, and what does it mean for high elo players being stuck in lowbie matches just because they don't have so much time to play the god damn game several times their usual? What are they thinking?

Rainfall4/26/2018, 1:41:45 PM1 votes

90%of the players:time to play mid and start climbing oh i got bored time to pick top and start trolling i got nothing to lose

3TWarrior4/26/2018, 8:38:13 AM1 votes

and to think they could solve so many problems just by making one queue position mandatory and one OPTIONAL so if people want faster queue times, let them pick another role

if people want better games, let them have their role XD

Teridax684/26/2018, 3:18:44 PM1 votes

To me, it feels like the true intent behind this kind of change was just to multiply the Ranked grind by five. I can empathize with different players having different expertise depending on their lane, but this kind of system feels clumsy and altogether discouraging to players who want to branch out. Moreover, it's a system that is so reliant on an extremely stagnant metagame, that it would collapse entirely if League took even one step towards having setups as diverse as in other MOBAs. If we started having a duo lane mid or top, for example, or a double jungler, let alone the trilanes we see in Dota 2, the system would immediately cease to make sense. I'm all for Riot trying new things, especially with Ranked, but this feels like an extremely complex solution that may not even address the problem it claims to answer.

kda akali4/26/2018, 12:57:43 AM1 votes

I kind of like it, I'm very good at Support but I kinda want to learn more roles. It's really nice. I think it's kinda abusable though.

MegaHuff4/26/2018, 4:45:45 PM1 votes

I'm a bit confused about how they'd choose roles as well. Not that it's the best, but somebody could easily play Teemo ADC if they really wanted, so would that count them as top because Teemo is traditionally a toplaner?

Beyond that, I believe the system is just supposed to be so if you're like a diamond level mid main but you only play mid and want to branch out, you aren't going against players that are diamond level while your (support/jng/adc/top) is only at a platinum level or whatever.

I honestly need some clarification on the system myself though, because I don't even fully understand how it works. That's just what I've collected from reading and watching the video.

SweedishGunner4/26/2018, 5:47:42 PM1 votes

Yeah it's a dumb system. If my support games have a different rank to my mid games why would I even try in my support games? I can just put in 50% effort and it won't affect my main rank?

GripaAviara4/26/2018, 11:30:28 PM1 votes

Everybody said about the current system that is dumb and nobody would now want to return to old one