The people complaining about Ornn represent everything wrong with this community

Cloud273·2/29/2020, 10:41:22 PM·1 votes·2,916 views

Whenever we have a "tank" who isn't complete dogsh*t, everyone screams TANK META and begs for nerfs. If it was someone like Fizz, Zed, Shaco, Talon or Leblanc running around one shotting everyone (oh wait they already do that) then no one bats an eye, but if Ornn does it he MUST be broken! Fix this ASAP Riot! Tanks aren't supposed to be viable!

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L Psy Kongroo2/29/2020, 10:50:58 PM11 votes

Tanks aren't supposed to do tons of damage. That's not their purpose; that's not why you should want to pick them over other options. Ornn isn't strong because of his ability to tank, he's strong because he deals juggernaut-level damage while ALSO being impossible to kill. No champion should have the best of both worlds. When you see assassins with 4K HP and 200 of each resist on top of being able to 100-0 an ADC then you'll certainly see nerf threads about them. But that's basically what Ornn does right now, and any nerfs he gets to his damage are deserved.

PekiCodex2/29/2020, 10:54:17 PM9 votes

If it was someone like Fizz, Zed, Shaco, Talon or Leblanc running around one shotting everyone (oh wait they already do that) then no one bats an eye, but if Ornn does it he MUST be broken!

Translation: "If an assassin one-shots someone nobody is surprised, but if a tank does it it's a problem."

Uhm... yeah? Tanks are supposed to soak up damage and have lots of CC. They aren't supposed to deal enormous amounts of damage on top of that... you know, like Ornn does.

JackMcCarry2/29/2020, 10:58:29 PM6 votes

im abusing ornn everytime im toplane, if you dont pick ornn, ban him - that shit's busted, even against lanes who counter me all i have to do is sit under tower. eventually not only will i outscale my enemy, my entire TEAM will outscale their team because my passive gives thousands of extra gold's worth of stats for free.

Ameliea2/29/2020, 11:28:22 PM6 votes

Ornn right now is among the best if not the best top and mid laner in competetive play. According to U.gg he also sports the highest top lane win rate while having the highest pick rate. He is objectivly too strong and is nerfed accordingly next patch

PopcornBunni2/29/2020, 11:58:41 PM3 votes

The issue isn't that a tank is viable, it's that Ornn is a tankjuggernautdiver dealing damage at the same time.

If, say, he was winning trades by getting damage reduction during W, rather than by its massive damage, there wouldn't be nearly as much of a problem. It's the fact that he's outdamaging Darius without even having to build damage.

This has already been solved on multiple tanks, with lower base damage in exchange for more AP/AD scaling, meaning they have to choose between being a CC combo-focused tank or a damage dealer.

Jamaree2/29/2020, 11:30:13 PM3 votes

I don't think people are complaining about him tanking damage (unless they are stupid and/or bad), I think they are complaining about him tanking damage while outdamaging every other role, which is a problem similar to how it was back in season 2 when bruisers were doing that.

That said, I'm ok with it personally, I don't even play Ornn or tanks for that matter, people wanted tanks back, they got em.

Bardmageddon2/29/2020, 11:07:37 PM2 votes

Diana (a mage assassin) is allowed to have a dash+Ori ult+massive AoE dmg (allowing her to 1v5) But Ornn (a tank) is not allowed to be tanky

Barcid3/1/2020, 12:59:24 AM2 votes

I do love my tanks, but Ornn actually is broken. He was strong before the new Bami's - now he's just completely nuts. Maokai might very well follow if people catch on to how well he uses Bami's as well.

Just for future, there is a difference between "meta" and "broken as fuck". Ornn falls in the latter right now.

Eedat2/29/2020, 11:13:23 PM2 votes

People complain about whatever is meta in an endless circle. How is Ornn any different?

MrFawknSunshine3/1/2020, 4:04:42 PM1 votes

outside of lane orrn isnt doing that much damage.

in lane he does, and that is mainly due to the brittle passive.

this needs to be addressed but it is magic damage which can be reduced by magic resistance.

outside of lane he is an ult bot who uses upgraded items to allow his team to outscale.

these are ornn average stats per game plat + elo Ornn Stats Physical Damage:6,148 46 / 89 Magic Damage:10,501 43 / 89 True Damage:202 85 / 89 Total Damage:16,852 61 / 89 Damage Taken:25,819 28 / 89

he ranks 61st over all out of 89 champs top lane.

by comparison these are setts average stats per game plat + elo Sett Stats Physical Damage:14,540 20 / 89 Magic Damage:237 83 / 89 True Damage:3,826 6 / 89 Total Damage:18,604 28 / 89 Damage Taken:27,757 17 / 89

sett ranks 28th out of 89 top laners in terms of damage per game

but wait.... he actually tanks more damag then ornn

then if we look at win%/pick%/ban % SETT
52.33% Win Rate 18.2% Pick Rate 48.0% Ban Rate 4,550 Matches

ORNN

52.44% Win Rate 17.5% Pick Rate 32.2% Ban Rate 4,384 Matches

this is masters + elo in high elo they pick/ban SETT more then ORNN

sett is picked/banned in 66.2% of games , ornn is picked/banned in 49.7% of games

Velzard of Koz2/29/2020, 11:37:07 PM1 votes

Noone bats an eye? Many people complain about them too. The only thing wrong is your obnoxous bias. In fact many people complain about everything that deals too much damage and that's exactly why many people complain about Ornn.

Duskdemon2/29/2020, 11:55:24 PM1 votes

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Whenever we have a "tank" who isn't complete dogsh*t, everyone screams TANK META and begs for nerfs. If it was someone like Fizz, Zed, Shaco, Talon or Leblanc running around one shotting everyone (oh wait they already do that) then no one bats an eye, but if Ornn does it he MUST be broken! Fix this ASAP Riot! Tanks aren't supposed to be viable!

You say this like plenty of people don't think they deal way to much fucking damage.

As it is, people are right to be salty about Orrn because right now he deals assassin levels of damage while being the tankiest champion in the game. Before he hits lvl12.

Iukiboy3/1/2020, 1:33:09 AM1 votes

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Whenever we have a "tank" who isn't complete dogsh*t, everyone screams TANK META and begs for nerfs. If it was someone like Fizz, Zed, Shaco, Talon or Leblanc running around one shotting everyone (oh wait they already do that) then no one bats an eye, but if Ornn does it he MUST be broken! Fix this ASAP Riot! Tanks aren't supposed to be viable!

Now, to all people who didn't played this game in earlier days... Imagine every tank having Ornn's passive while dealing Ornn's damage, tankier turrets not papers like these ones after 14 mins and the only one class who could deal with them are ADCs with enchanters.

I would play that shit everyday again, because if I had to split more smart with my Trynda, and I definitely hate this "high skill high reward meta" with no tactical skill expression and no counterplay to fed champions.

Leon41673/1/2020, 1:53:13 AM1 votes

The complaining towards Ornn and just Juggernauts in general does need to stop. They're not unstoppable, they have weaknesses such as having no mobility, and you can kill them. This is what Juggernauts are specifically design to do. It's not a mistake.