When will Riot create AP tank items?

42196140_DEL·12/3/2015, 5:41:58 PM·13 votes·3,589 views

There are no AP items designed for AP scaling tanks(like Amumu, Sejuani, Nautilus, Zac...) in this game, only mage/assassin-designed items like RoA, Rylai, Liandry/Abyssal etc... that can work on tanks but they are expensive(often 3k+). Even supports have their own AP items.

If you are an AD tank you have tons of great options for offensive items that fit with your gameplay because they were designed for you: item 3053 item 3071 item 3091 item 3156 item 3748 item 3025 They give tankyness, damage and some of them also mobility/cdr.

Whereas the only AP items that really fit with tanks' gameplay are: item 3001 item 3151 but they only give damage.

item 3116 is overkill as most tanks already have decent CC, item 3027 have no particular interaction wih tanks exept it gives good stats. All other items don't give enough defensive stats to be bought by a tank.

I'd prefer items giving few AP and decent defensive stats+ a passive/active that interacts with AP tanks, like support items focus on support's job: helping your team and they give a few AP because supports scales on.

For exemple: 50AP, 70 armor, 10% cdr, passive: hitting an ennemy with a spell increases your movement speed by 5% for 4s(max 20%).

This exemple is not meant to be balanced, that's just to show what could be done instead of actual items.

77 Comments

ZenithEin12/3/2015, 8:26:52 PM10 votes

Um, RoA is amazing on tanks, gives them mana, health, ap, sustain via its passive. Rylai's helps them stick to people, gives them health and ap. Liandry's turns most of them into hp shredding monsters that never leave you alone. Abyssal gives you mr, ap, and lowers their mr for you and the rest of your team. But yeah, none of these items support ap tanks. Totally. Not at all. Not in the least bit.

Heedprime12/3/2015, 7:27:26 PM6 votes

AP Items with defensive stats (SR):

item 3001 item 3174 item 3060 item 3151 item 3027 item 3116 item 3050 item 3157 item 2301

AD items with defensive stats (SR):

item 3022 item 3156 item 3139 item 3053 item 3071 item 3078 item 3748

Rito plz we need more AP items with defensive stats...

WoonStruck12/3/2015, 6:38:14 PM2 votes

No tank items are going to have AP or AD anymore. If you want tank actives/passives, you're going to get hp and defenses.

Otherwise, stick with the tanky AP items, because they're about as much as you're going to get.

FlippyGoneTrippy12/3/2015, 7:08:56 PM2 votes

What about Tanky AD items? Derpp. I think it's pretty toxic to put offensive and defensive stats in the same item. (See RoA, Zhonya's, Abyssal, Rylai's, Titanic Hydra aaaaand Maw of Mortimus). Sorry, not trying to be a dick. But those items exist in such small amounts because they are simply strong as fuck.

I know you said you didn't mean your example to be balanced... But... You know what's awfully similar to your item but with way better stats? Zhonyas Hourglass. Throw in Stormraiders Surge mastery and you have something similar to the item you are talking about with a solid stasis active. Zhonyas is designed for assassins? What about Vladimir or Swain? Just because it's good for people like Fizz doesn't mean a tank can't benefit just as much.

You can get tanky as fuck by playing champions like Ryze, Vlad, Swain, Rumble or Chogath by building them the same way you would build any fighter. A couple damage items and a couple tank items.

Ryze item 3027 item 3003 item 3110 item 3065 item 3152 item 3020

That's one of my favourite AP bruisers but you can get way tankier than that with people like Cho or Vlad.

Gubaguy12/3/2015, 7:37:02 PM2 votes

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Lohrr12/3/2015, 5:42:38 PM2 votes

Moonflair Spellblade item 3170 .. ap / mr / armor .. but it'll prolly get nerfed now.

ViashinoWizard12/3/2015, 5:58:02 PM2 votes

item 3001 I guess?

ThePartyLeader12/3/2015, 8:28:23 PM2 votes

You say you want ap tank item that gives you passive and stats for tanks instead of damage..... So isn't that just a tank item?

LordKentravyon12/3/2015, 8:49:04 PM2 votes

There was a really cool Abyssal rework on the PBE last season, I hope it comes back. (think ca current abyssal / sunfire hybrid item)

PDE5 Inhibitors12/4/2015, 2:17:45 AM2 votes

You seem to confuse tanks with fighters.

Korillo12/3/2015, 8:56:37 PM1 votes

The tankiest items aren't AP or AD focused.

item 3075 item 3143 item 3110 item 3512 item 3068 item 3065 item 3102 item 3083 etc

As far as AD vs AP "tank" items you have a pretty even mix. I don't really think you have an argument tbh.

Pæan12/3/2015, 7:32:31 PM1 votes

When they've decided they want to see Sejuani as top tier again. Or to see an even more unkillable singed that does even more damage than before. Just imagine assassin damage ekko that is still nearly as tanky as tank/bruiser ekko.

There are too many champs that could abuse it. Though iceborn gauntlet fits that bill decently right now

Daedalus87112/3/2015, 10:01:47 PM1 votes

Chance are, if I asked you for AD tanks, you would give me a list of Sion, bruisers, and Juggernauts.

I am using the following as the definition for tanks: Champions who are threat because of the CC/utility they provide.

Who are these AD tanks?

Markus Vakarian12/4/2015, 8:37:37 AM1 votes

At least AP champions have AP + Armor items I don't see any AD + Armor item after the removing of Atma