"Fiora's Heal is the boost of morale she gives her teammates"

Noctis Lunaris·7/23/2015, 3:33:23 PM·197 votes·7,103 views

I'm sorry Stashu, and anyone else going with this flimsy explanation, but this exactly why is doesn't fit. Fiora is not a team player. Her archetype, the arrogant duelist attempting to prove themselves as the very best like no on ever was, and her lore & character, which state that she wants absolute zero help whatsoever, because in order to restore the honor of her household, she went off by herself seeking to face off against the greatest swordsmen the world has to offer _alone _, to prove she's the best of the best, not relying anything or anyone but her own skill.

You don't want Fiora to be a selfish champion, but you forgot that Fiora is an incredibly selfish person. No one would complain that much is Fiora was a gloryhound, "I do everything alone" type champion. We would more or less expect Fiora to run up to the enemy nexus alone without a care in the world for her teammates, and if the enemy team sent one person out to stop her, they'd get annihilated, and she'll lament how she 'Longs for a worthy opponent' as she destroys yet another tower, and pushes closer to base. These are more or less implied by her VO, her Lore, and her Subtitle: "The Grand Duelist"

Her character is the in-game equivalent of "1v1 me scrub, see what happens." Deliver on that.

You know who could use a skill like that though? Someone with an equally notable disconnect from the lore in their kit. Someone known to inspire their allies when they're losing, who turns the tides of battle by showing up and being awesome, thus boosting their morale to fight despite their grave wounds. Someone who leads the charge after giving his allies a second wind. Someone who should've had this heal on their Ult since Day 1.

Aatrox

97 Comments

Sightless667/23/2015, 3:49:22 PM99 votes

I really disagree with you here. Her ultimate isn't her asking for help or getting any aid from her teammates. It's her showing her duelist prowess, killing or maiming someone, and then showering in accolades. That perfectly fits her egocentricism. She restores some vestige of her honor through a great show of her own individual skill, and then gets showered with glory.

No one would complain that much is Fiora was a gloryhound,

Her new kit, including the ultimate, better fits the idea of her as a gloryhound. You can't be a gloryhound if you're completely alone. You need admirers, fans, someone to actually shower glory on you.

Her lore makes a big point of this. "She will settle for nothing less than the world’s acknowledgement of her mastery." She worries about her reputation, and how her father's crimes affect it. She has to be the best so that her honor and reputation will be restored. She isn't some lone warrior who never sees other people. She's obsessed with proving to other people that she is the best. This ultimate fits that. This ultimate is the culmination of her teammates acknowledging her mastery and showering her with the praise she knows she deserves.

Thematically, it's fitting. Gameplay-wise, it's great.

It could work for Aatrox, and he should get something that goes into that direction, but this particular ultimate wouldn't really fit him that well. He doesn't have any mechanic that really serves as a functional trigger for this ultimate. Thematically, he also doesn't really have anything that suggests that he's inspiring people with some great display of skills like Fiora hitting all the vital points. It's more his presence that inspires. I think he'd do much better both in gameplay and in theme with a variation of Sion's old ultimate, where his allies get stronger (or get healed) when he is fighting.

Saruyan7/23/2015, 3:35:36 PM21 votes

this actually wouldve made a lot of sense if their ults were switched, or aatrox given something similar to what fiora will be getting.

Only Play Darius7/23/2015, 3:59:59 PM10 votes

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Her character is the in-game equivalent of "1v1 me scrub, see what happens." Deliver on that.

^This. So much this.

RJ Jenson7/23/2015, 4:55:29 PM9 votes
  1. Yup. Musketeers were never healers.
  2. Her heal does not benefit her kit in any way.
  3. It's like giving DRAAAVEN heal, lt's just doesn't work.
JustMyBassCannon7/23/2015, 3:55:52 PM6 votes

On the one hand, you really miss the point. The team heal isn't her getting help from her team. Her ultimate is based entirely on her landing multiple vital strikes (basically a duelist showing just how accurate and fast they can be), and the heal is based from herself.

And sure, Aatrox needs an ultimate that actually fits his lore better. That doesn't mean Fiora's doesn't fit hers.

Artty of Alaska7/23/2015, 10:24:02 PM5 votes

Thaaat's Stashu for you. I can kinda understand what he's trying, but the implementation ends up being clumsy and not thematically fitting. He did the same thing with Cassiopeia .

While I feel the whole notion that Fiora should have a team-wide payoff when she does well doesn't fit her duelist character at all (especially when killing enemies quickly is a big reward in of its self) I'm more concerned about why Riot/Stashu chose a heal. I feel even a temporary shield would be more accurate of what a "morale boost" behaves like than a heal.

Also, can't belive Aatrox didn't get this ability first, considering his kit is all about health, healing, and sustain, and his lore makes him out to be this rallying come-back catalyst.

hoganftw7/23/2015, 11:08:32 PM4 votes

I think her kit should reward her for singling out targets and engaging on singled out targets, not giving her team morale. She's not Gangplank, bro. Riot must be puffing the devil weed.

TheRakkun7/24/2015, 12:16:20 AM4 votes

Violent rip sound

What lore?

Rinky Dinky7/24/2015, 6:04:39 AM4 votes

Aatrox agrees

Although, let us keep in mind that the actual challenge part of the kit is perfectly fitting.

What do you suppose would be Fiora's reward for proccing all 4?

WutsKraken7/24/2015, 4:15:01 PM3 votes

I agree!

This fits Aatrox WAY more than Fiora, heck even Aatrox's ult fits Fiora better

What Is Smite7/23/2015, 8:24:21 PM3 votes

The new Ultimate is: COMPLETELY USELESS AND COUNTER-INTUITIVE TO FIORA'S CHARACTER

I have mained Fiora since mid-Season 4 and the new Ultimate is the worst thing in the game, it feels like Stashu is actually trying to cheat her out of an Ultimate Ability

A Prop Phone7/23/2015, 9:09:15 PM3 votes

As a Fiora main since her release, I can tell you what the bigger problem is here.

The ult procs after 1 hit if the target dies. That means the entire point of the ult won't be to outplay the opponent or duel them, it's going to be trying to cast the ult and AA once right before the enemy dies to get your team the AOE heal. And if you are 1v1 then the heal doesn't even matter anyways.

ModKnightsKemplar7/23/2015, 9:47:50 PM3 votes

The idea is to integrate her into the TEAM GAME you are playing. I hear your criticism, but Rioters explicitly stated that they don't like her selfish gameplay. They want her team to engage with her, and care about the duel outcome.

Game > Story. That's why reworks happen. The story should serve the game, not the other way around. It's a game first.

CasterGilgamesh7/23/2015, 10:36:03 PM3 votes

lol "Fiora is not a team player. Her archetype, the arrogant duelist attempting to prove themselves as the very best like no on ever was" i thought you were about to start the pokemon theme song to catch them is my real quest to train them is my cause

SgtCrispy7/24/2015, 11:51:15 AM3 votes

Maybe she realized she needed her team after she got a piece of the champ?

Dr Poro7/23/2015, 9:09:43 PM2 votes

but this exactly why is doesn't fit

English?

Other than that, I agree 100% This feature was suggested a billion time for Aatrox as he inspires people to continue fighting while Fior is by nature and design a Duelist. Riot calls Aatrox a Duelist and says they want to keep it that way but why? Nothing in his lore says he's a duelist. Give Fiora a massive healing bonus, even up to 100% health (to make her ready for the next duel), fine, but don't make it a supportive utility bonus for her team.

I Main Swain7/24/2015, 3:46:46 AM2 votes

yeah, the heal seems really out of place, both thematically and mechanically. I feel like it should be a huge atk speed boost instead or something like that.

IRicochet Runner7/23/2015, 8:34:59 PM2 votes

So support fiora is in the meta?

Earl Eulrich7/23/2015, 4:06:53 PM2 votes

the thing is...if your asshole duelist beats up an important champion on the opponent side you´d still cheer and feel a lot more confident in the fight now that that one threat got beaten to pulp. So I really don´t see why it wouldn´t fit.

If you really would want to make it thematically 100%corect you´d have to mix poppys and j4s ult so the duelant get their own arena and cannot be touched by other cahmpions abilities - the thing is though, that would be ridiculously broken. So the current setting with the heal is pretty cool i think, fits the theme in some way and adds a healthy mechanic to the game.

Melissee7/23/2015, 11:27:03 PM2 votes

Why not give fiora's teammates a huge mr and armor buff if she wins to represent morale boost? Tbh the ult's idea doesn't make sense no matter what you do to it lol. She'd pretty much require cc reduction to pull it off anyways so most people are just going to throw it on mostly dead people and use as a support heal like Janna. Imo her ult just needs to be changed period.

Lwnt7/24/2015, 6:07:18 AM1 votes

In game everyone is constantly moving. How in the world can fiora travel all around the person to set off the final part of the ult. She needs to have super fast movement speed.