Why can't AD Casters have good late-game scaling?

Darth Valer·8/31/2015, 8:56:02 PM·6 votes·1,489 views

I was wondering in particular the possibility of a Rabadon physical counterpart, that gave something like +20% bonus AD and (in my mind this would balance it) had a passive that prevented regular critical hits (while allowing the likes of Pantheon, Shaco, Fiora and similar folk to crit as usual with their spells).

Plus, I wondered why mana itemization on AD champs is so lucklaster. Manamune offers an autoattack oriented boost (whereas Archangel's Staff's shield is useful to anyone) and is mid-tier in terms of offensive stats (it gives 65~ AD on average whereas Seraph's Angel offers the most AP out of any current AP item except Rabadon). Essence Reaver begins offering mana sustain too late in the game and is very lame if you are running a low AS build/champ. Imho it could be something like Will of the ancients where it says "Your abilities' physical damage sustain you for 10% as hp and 7.5% as mana, doubled vs champs" (33% effectiveness for AoE, resistances taken into account). Of course these are just numbers thrown off with no claim of balance professionalism.

I find that of AD Casters to be a role without a proper balance from ages. They are forced to eat the leftovers of other roles' stuff, the brutalizer castration being the last snub.

25 Comments

Spizzle90008/31/2015, 11:57:52 PM6 votes

I believe that AD Casters don't have an item similar to Rabadon's because they can actually auto-attack to deal damage. Mages can't. AD Casters also have the ability to take towers more easily. Plus, champions like Riven do NOT need more AD. Just think: Riven or Vayne with this. . . -shudders-

ZephyrDrake8/31/2015, 9:24:13 PM2 votes

how would you make an AD multiplier item without ADCs or AD champs that aren't casters in general picking it up?

BluePolarizer8/31/2015, 9:13:20 PM2 votes

AD casters cannot have good late game scaling because of the cooldown of spells and the existence of armor.

Autoattackers can apply the equivalent of a 350-800 damage nuke through crits 2 times per second when they get fully fed. They scale multiplicatively because they are doubling their damage every time they increase their AD along with AS, or AS along with crit chance, etc. Meanwhile, all casters and tanks (both AD and AP) scale linearly. That is why mids can't take down tanks late game either unless they have sustained damage like Azir, Cassiopeia or Karthus.

This is the reason why only ADCs truly scale to late game: they have multiplicative scaling while everyone else is linear.

Tristanl0l9/1/2015, 12:14:00 AM1 votes

ad casters that dont scale? im sorry what. who are you even thinking of

LithiumWednesday9/1/2015, 12:20:55 AM1 votes

☆:.。. Riven Vayne Zed Riven .。.:☆

Nameless Voice9/1/2015, 12:22:44 AM1 votes

The problem with items for AD casters is that they will be abused by those champions who are already really oppressive, like Zed. He already has a really strong early game. Allowing him to have a really strong late game as well would make him even worse to play against.

... Though, then they might rework him. Hmm.

Koldheartedjsp9/1/2015, 1:27:05 AM1 votes

because of auto attacks?

not like an ap mage can sit there and auto to finish you off

No matter how much you say "well i don't wanna auto"

the fact of the matter is, you can and it makes a difference

Dreadlocks8/31/2015, 9:04:16 PM1 votes

Because if they made a Rabadons for AD it would be broken as hell...

IcyPepper9/1/2015, 2:13:36 AM1 votes

Zed already something like that

ReshiKillim8/31/2015, 9:14:35 PM1 votes

It would quickly get OP on champions like Riven and Darius, because Darius would get a 20% increase on his AD steroid nuke passive while Riven would get tankier and more bursty.

Mecar8/31/2015, 9:45:12 PM1 votes

Why can't AD casters have a good lategame ? For the same reason Burst AP casters can't have a good late game. Burst is for midgame. If you want an AP that scale unto lategame, you need a sustained AP such as Kayle/Azir/Karthus, not an AP caster that needs his cooldowns. If you want an AD that scale unto lategame, you need a sustained AD such as ADCs, auto-attack bruisers or melee carries, not an AD caster that needs his cooldowns.