From Bronze to mid Gold is the same Skill level...

THEJJSLAY·1/24/2016, 10:32:45 PM·3 votes·3,740 views

Bronze to gold have about the same skill however the major difference is their frame of mind. I have been playing with bronzies and golds during my promos and have seen that for example, bronze will often quit trying once they have decided the game is over no matter the actual state of the game where golds try to the end. Silvers can go either way though and the higher they are the more they lean towards gold tendencies.

Thoughts?

18 Comments

Captain Ezekiel1/24/2016, 10:56:20 PM4 votes

Hell. No.

Ive been in every devision from bronze to Diamond, and that shit does NOT change unttil d3+

There is no change in mind set from bronze to diamond, not a single fucking bit. The ONLY difference i EVER saw was: Skill shots being hit and CS going up.

Thats it.

EndlessSorcerer1/24/2016, 10:59:03 PM3 votes

I climbed from Silver 3 to Plat 5 last season (first season of ranked play), so I can discuss those tiers.

I have played with some Bronze players when queuing with friends. They tend to make constant and easily exploitable mistakes, can't control the minion wave or roam properly, and miss free CS. Their item builds are often cookie-cutter (not adapting based on the teams or their strength relative to other players) and very often inefficient.

Watching Bronze matches is both hilarious and saddening. Baron and kills are god, CS and structures are often afterthoughts.

Silver, in my experience, was a combination of one-man snowball and constant sieging around objectives before a sloppy engage happens.

Players make enough basic mistakes that it's easy to capitalize on them to get yourself fed in lane, then roam to other lanes and snowball them too. They aren't good at coordinating or timing ganks, so you can easily pick a snowbally champion (i.e. Irelia, Wukong, Nasus, Renekton) and get fed enough to dominate mid-game teamfights.

In addition, people seem to constantly group up around objectives (Dragon, mid tower, etc) at poor times and just kinda awkwardly stand off around one another until someone gets caught. Champions with strong mid-game poke and teamfighting work very well in this environment (I used Varus ADC and Ziggs Mid a lot at this level in Season 5).

Gold was better in all aspects. People will group for objectives and roam appropriately, teamfight decently, and know how to handle split-pushing (with and against) better. Sieges are more coordinated and most people know their general roles in teamfighting.

While a one-man snowball is less effective, people will still overextend and overchase. Ganks are better timed, but people often don't ward appropriately. They will also still overestimate their strength when behind and die unnecessarily.

Platinum was better than Gold in pretty much every respect as far as skill- and game-knowledge are concerned, but I found it was probably the most toxic tier I've played with. While it wasn't as bad as people may lead you to believe, it was probably the rank I ran into the most trolls and ragers.

Don't get me wrong though; most Platinum players were and are quite nice. It's just that the entitled people in this tier have enough skill behind them to feed further into their egos and justify themselves in their own mind.

Very Hard Engage1/24/2016, 10:48:13 PM3 votes

i disagree

bronze = poor team work, still struggle to land skill shots, largely incapable of grouping and if they do its purely by chance.

silver = moderate grouping, will organize themselves somewhat, but dont understand the value of objectives yet or when to do it, still dont listen to pings, have greatly improved mechanics and some players like "well hes a riven main" will be seen on occasion. dont last hit effectively

gold = solid knowledge of the game, decent mechanics, good grouping and objective taking. start to use pings and wards. main issue is team work and team comps and its a toss up to work well with others you just meet. might still argue with team mates.

plat = great players. almost never miss skill shots. not huge champion pools, specific roles/positions will develop, but they can hold their own regardless of lane. they understand counterpicks powerspikes and will actively work on their team comp.

diamond (or higher) = the best of the best. any higher is just splitting hairs.

if you want to compare a bronzie to a goldie you will see some staggering differences in warding, cs, KDA, out trading/outplaying, dodging, and mentality.

tell me this, if you're bronze, do you know what a sidestep is? do you religiously do it? do you try and break 75+ cs by 10mins and 160+ by 20minutes? because you can get a lot more than this, but this is the minimum you should have.

Kingopants1/24/2016, 10:52:54 PM2 votes

It's not anywhere near the same skill and they don't just have worse frame of mind. Straight bronzies would lose mechanically, positionally, in what items they buy, in cs, in how much time they waste. Often times bronzies will run incorrect masteries and runes as well (although runes are highly affected by how expensive they are).

ZDrahgonz1/25/2016, 1:00:09 AM1 votes

Guess im a bronze player then xD

Itadaki Seieki1/24/2016, 11:05:30 PM1 votes

plat = great players. almost never miss skill shots. not huge champion pools, specific roles/positions will develop, but they can hold their own regardless of lane. they understand counterpicks powerspikes and will actively work on their team comp.

Every time I play with Plat players they tilt themselves for losing early game. They continually will sit there and preach " gg bot lost " and anyone who is A LITTLE BIT optimistic they reply with the good old " im plat i know how this game works. " and then muted for being better then their team. I've only met one person who was actually a pretty chill plat, and she only get's salty when people troll ban. \o\

ValyrianBlade1/25/2016, 12:26:03 AM1 votes

I disagree with it being the mindset.

I agree that mechanical skills are pretty similar. Perhaps there's a small amount of skillshot landing and last-hitting improvements from Bronze to Gold (or I should say silver as I've never been in bronze) but overall most players in lower elos don't have huge outplays or anything.

I think there is really a game-skill difference though. It's not the "never give up" or "positive" attitude, but rather strategy wise. Gold players make much better decisions than silvers, and I would extrapolate to bronze.

In mid silver I literally had a game where my bot lane fed all game, as jungler I ganked top for a few kills early, and the top laner and I were trying to carry against the enemy's fed bot lane. We got to a teamfight at Baron around the 1 hour point, and thanks to a well placed Hecarim ult from me and good follow up from Volibear we wrecked the teamfight. 5 for 2, the two deaths being, you guessed it, me and Volibear. We had a 70 second ace and what did the 3 survivors decide to do? Baron. BARON. Volibear and I started pinging the mid inhibitor turret and typing "END" in chat and the mid laner woke up and started going, but the bot laners stayed at Baron until the respawn timers were at 40 seconds and only left because they realized they were going to die to it. Thankfully there was still time, they destroyed the nexus about 2 seconds after the enemies respawned.

Decisions like that characterize players who should be bronze. The most important skill in this game is knowing when you can do something and what priorities are. Destroying the nexus is the top priority 100% of the time. Baron, Dragon 5, Inhibitors, and Nexus turrets vary as the second priority. This kind of knowledge is probably lacking in Bronze. Then you get knowing when you can win a fight. 1v1, 2v2, etc... should you turn, can you win this fight or will you lose it. This is the primary difference at all skill levels. Diamond/Master/Challenger players know this extremely well. Whenever you watch them stream you'll hear them say something like "they can turn here" and sure enough if the allies turn they win the fight. I've never seen a high elo player say they can win a fight and be wrong unless an ally misses an important ability (like Orianna only getting the tank with her ult). In gold players have a general idea of when to fight and when not to. Most importantly, they know when their lane opponent has killed them they shouldn't be fighting 1v1 anymore as it won't go well. From the sounds of things, Bronze players will just keep fighting and feed their opponent to oblivion. If anything the bronze person is more optimistic because he kept trying to win the fight through 3, 4, 5+ deaths. The gold player is gold because he has better decision making.