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So I heard Riot plans for Ahri...

Khaijit··5 votes·1,102 views

And I felt really disappointed. Ahri being one of the most (if not the most) healthiest assassin of the game, is getting changed for a more sustained damage poke mage champ. I don't really acknowledge Riot point on this, but when you see akali, katarina, fizz, talon, etc. That are point and click (kill) champs able to 1 shot people, and are extremely annoying to play against when fed, and then you see Ahri, that if she gets fed, there is a counterplay to that, which is, dodging her skillshots. Give a very unskilled player a 10/0/3 Ahri, vs a challenger 3/0/3 Vayne, and he will probably fail (the unexperienced player). Now give that kda to the other assassins, and the Vayne, even if he is challenger will certainly die. Isn't good to have a variety on assassins? I mean we have a lot of mages.

And if the changes of mage Ahri goes live, why would she be a viable pick?, if i want sustained damage and poke I will go for Azir, Ziggs, Syndra, Xerath, Ori, and others.

Assassin Ahri is really fun to play, because it’s not your role staying behind your team, spamming spells (passive), but catching vulnerable targets out of position and be able to kill them (active). But if you miss your combo, then you are almost useless if a fight breaks out. Since you really need your ultimate to make plays. It is a high risk, high reward champ.

Now that DFG is being removed from the game, I hope riot doesn't take away her assassin role. Maybe they can just put her old stats (before season 3 nerf), in adition to the mana regen and Q buffs. (this will make up for the removal of DFG). Or increase the damage amp on her charm to let’s say a 30%. Or whatever solution Riot comes up with, as long as she remains with her primary super fun role.

Thank you for reading!

TL/DR: Ahri should keep her unique and healthy assassin role. The removal of DFG should be compensated on her burst damage.

20 Comments

SmokingPuffin4 votes

Give kitey mage Ahri a chance. She was pretty awesome back in the day. She was still able to dive for kills, it just wasn't the only thing she could do.

Moulin Rouge4 votes

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Give kitey mage Ahri a chance. She was pretty awesome back in the day. She was still able to dive for kills, it just wasn't the only thing she could do.

Kitey Ahri is the only Ahri for me tbh. :P

I dislike playing DFG Ahri because she's too much of a one trick pony that if she misses her charm, it's gg and she's lost the fight.

CaptnJakSparrow4 votes

If they intend to remove the 20% amp. Where are they going to tack on 40% additional damage across all of her spells? ((deathfire + charm+) OTherwise, it's just a stupidly large nerf.

Joe Dredd3 votes

"Healthy assassin" Kills you, proceeds to dash 3 times away to escape the rest of your team. such health.

Lanofrose5 votes

since when Ahri has a lower burst and a slower burst time then most other assassins and a clear point of counter play in charm but also her Ult putting her at a unsafe distance (right next to you since her ult damage range isn't that far) she doesn't nuke if she misses the skill-shots and let alone without ult, there is some clear hyperbole in that statement......so dodge charm or die which is more counter-play then half the other assassin in the game.

Joe Dredd2 votes

Yea, but slower burst doesn't matter when they're cc'd and die within the 2 seconds it lasts.

disregardable1 votes

I know, I'm so disappointed in this decision. I'm pretty sure they only made this decision because she is one of the few assassins you can nerf without changing her entire kit. They want to do as little as possible to fix the assassin problem, so they're making off-assassins less assassiny.

Tsunday2 votes

Honestly they aren't planning on nerfing her they specifically said they were planning to buff her. DFG really did need to go. First of all DFG is a nerf to assassins other than off assassins as Fizz, Akali, and Kat are all AP based. It might hurt Kat a little more because the DFG active is what ensured her first reset, and I only say it might hurt her a little more because she doesn't seem to be in a good place compared to other assassins. DFG was basically a percent damage boost to your whole combo on top of it being one the highest AP items in the game. DFG pretty much ensured you got the kill as long as you knew how to hit an ability or two. For someone like Veigar or Syndra it meant you could literally one shot someone with your ult. There was no real warning when DFG went down, the second it went down you were pretty much dead.

DFG is getting removed because it's of its tendencies to make many champions frustrating to play against. DFG is really the item that allows Ahri to fulfill the assassin fantasy. Since they are indirectly nerfing her with the DFG they are directly buffing her. That's not doing as little to fix the assassin problem as possible, they aren't changing Ahri to fix the assassin problem. DFG removal will help keep AP assassins (and by that I mean actual assassins) in line and since DFG was the reason Ahri was played as an assassin yes she might become less assassiny but that isn't because Riot doesn't like assassin Ahri or because riot wants to use Ahri to solve the assassin problem.

I'm pretty sure they only made this decision because she is one of the few assassins you can nerf without changing her entire kit.

But they aren't nerfing her at all. They are buffing her. They didn't remove DFG to nerf Ahri. It was an indirect nerf which they want to buff her for.

disregardable3 votes

You clearly didn't hear that they're taking away her charm's 20% amp. That's the reason she works as an assassin, not DFG. Making her foxfire and her ult do a little extra damage is not going to make up for destroying her fun playstyle. They're doing it to make less assassins, even though Ahri was one of the healthiest assassins in the game.

Elphrihaim1 votes

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You clearly didn't hear that they're taking away her charm's 20% amp.

They're considering it.

disregardable1 votes

Oh, look what made its way to the PBE? Ahri's charm lost its amp.

Elphrihaim1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=jEwWrmeG,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-17T02:34:20.422+0000)

Oh, look what made its way to the PBE? Ahri's charm lost its amp.

Oh, look

A fallacy.

Tsunday1 votes

They're considering it.

pretty much this. The DFG was a big player in how her assassin kit worked, it doesn't matter that her charm had the amp because the amp mixed with DFG is what allowed her to assassinate well. They don't want to straight up buff her charm to make up for it so they were thinking of changing the amp because she's not really going to work well as an assassin anymore.

disregardable2 votes

She works fine without DFG. I tested it out to make sure as soon as I heard the news. If anything I felt more desire than usual to gank bottom and get some more kills. I don't know if she will work without that 20% damage though.

Tsunday1 votes

Increased her W damage, increased her E AP ratio, increased her max level E damage, moves faster than Janna when she starts to activate her Q. I think she will be just fine. Her passive was really better for extended/poke trades anyway.

Lanofrose1 votes

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/zk5IZrIO-assassin-ahris-viabilty-without-dfg-and-potential-upcoming-changes-worries-me

I also didn't like what they said made a thread about how i think they are implying Assassin Ahri may be removed

RadiantWings1 votes

Nothing is changing about her play-style though. Mage Ahri has the exact same kill pattern as assassin Ahri. The only difference would maybe be a slight reduction of the efficacy of a 100%->0% combo on a very squishy target, but otherwise, stronger poke/aoe damage simply means that Ahri has more opportunities to bring people into assassination range. It's not like even the long range Xerath/Ziggs lack kill potential.

Khaijit2 votes

"Mage ahri" is for lazy people that doesn't know how to play her correctly. Look at high elo players. They don't play the non existant "mage ahri".

Rebonack1 votes

Will the khaijit show me its wares? Because I have the coin.

Also: Abyssal/Rylais' Ahir was more or less standard back in the day.

Ahri Body Pillow1 votes

As an Ahri main, I'm really excited for the new changes. I think they'll bring a refreshing new playstyle and change of pace and more flexibility rather than DFG all the time every time. Thats just my opinion though.

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