So, are we still pretending that Irelia and Camille are not broken?
Those two are pretty much the go to picks for either top or mid. Irelia is simply too insane after trinity force, and so is Camille.
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How exactly is Camille broken right now? She is a balanced imo, healthy winrate, easy to counter and extremely direct counters, and she also takes some time to come around the game maybe I am a bit biased but she is not broken or op at all, she is balanced and just fine...
Irelia on the other hand should get these hitbox fixes immidietly...
Irelia I can confidently say yes. I personally hate camille for her easy press r lock someone up and they can't escape ability. Her mobility is so annoying but that alone makes someone not too op as pike is ridiculous on escapes due to his kit as well.
It's less that Irelia is broken, and more that she's so useless top it's laughable. So she's forced mid where her kit is literally the absolute bane and hard counter of almost every champ there. If Irelia is mid, idk, trade lanes with your top laner if you're a mage. Most top laners absolutely destroy Irelia unless you happen to be a god on her. But that applies to most champs.
the worlds are comming, do you really expect riot to care for the community instead of money?
Camille isn't as bad as Irelia.
I main a champion that can deny half her kit anyway.
they need base ad nerfs for early game since they're late game champs
camille is okay i guess irelia should have her dmg vs minions on her q lowered a bit
Sadly, nothing :/
I dont find camille that bad tbh she can be annooying when youre picked off but i feel like thats her thing to get picks and not be alone kinda like a spider however with irelia ... jesus christ what is her actual counterplay? ................... Cant all in her cos W cant poke her down cos Q sustain corrupting pot and she can just engage and win trades with Q procs .... dodging E is almost impossible kinda feels like if you didnt get hit because the irelia missed why is it even a stun and not a slow or something ..... alost everyone lately has some form of stun or displacment
Again... someone tell me the actual counterplay to irelia? ............................................... Unless the irelia player messes up her Sheen procs i dont thnk youre gonna deal with her in any way ._______.
Camille is as balanced as she can be with her kit, Irelia could get more nerfs on the other hand to make her less abusive midlane.
I think camille has windows of very strong power, but also points of weakness which strong opponents can abuse to bully her too. This is especially true if the champ you run uses mixed damage and has the durability of a bruiser or tankier fighter (jax, renekton, etc.). To be sure... she's strong. But if you play her or play against her as something that's actually a damage threat (not malphite or maokai tank), then you have windows where you are stronger than her and can punish her. If you don't... that's your fault; just like it's camille's fault if she fails to punish when she is stronger.
Meanwhile we have people complaining about urgot being tanky, yet having good poke and early game all-in damage... along with that 25%hp execute. I wonder what %hp execute it would be if we looked at garen's ult that way. Or if people stopped and considered fiora. With her ability to negate over 50% of an opponent's hp and resists with a point-n-click ult (not a skillshot like urgot) followed by a few braindead simple abilities or autos onto the enemy. Oh... and it's not a "game"... just like gp barrels aren't truly a game only this one is even more stacked against participants because she gets crazy stupid movespeed to run you down and a slow on her auto and can block the first cc you throw at her resulting in YOU being stunned. So basically, you are guaranteed to be hit on 3 vitals at least and then have to sit there for the rest of her ult hugging the wall as she whacks you... or you blow flash or have some other crazy movement ability like malphite ult, hecarim e, etc. to disengage before she can proc the vitals. A simple dash away won't cut it.
But yes... let's discuss how camille is one of the most broken champs in the game right now lol. And if all that were not enough to disprove your argument... the only place I've seen her recently... both in my matches (as toplaner) and in pro play/streams is in the jungle. I mean maybe if I looked up her playrate top, I'd be surprised and you're right. But even if that's true, she's far from one of the most broken champs right now and definitely has her weaknesses if played against properly.
Irelia? Broken? What?
Just because she's 0/6 and one shots the 8/0 Karthus with her Ult, stun, q, q doesn't mean she's broken
Just dodge her dash.
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Yes we keep pretending until worlds are over .
riot is just here for the money , Imagine gutting their money babies before the biggest exposure of the year
Like how DAFQ is Irelia OP in any kind of sense?
She is gradually fading from toplane is now only viable as a counterpick towards ranged picks up there and a few others like Aatrox or mordekaiser.
Midlane? She has no matchup that she wins terribly hard, her best is Ryze with a 56% and reversely her worst is zilean at 41% winrate.
Evidently, even in a lane full of target she is meant to counter she get stomped harder than she stomps and still goes even or barely loses in the majority of matchup from a quick glance.
OP you seriously need to get your facts straight, or at least present some manner of statistical evidence.
Because when i look at league of graphs she overall has a 8,7 pickrate and 50% winrate in diamond in midlane..........this is pretty damn sad when you consider that she was made to hardstomp ranged picks but evidently she cant even do that for the majorities part.
Sure her toplane ranged matchups are good, really good, but nearly everything else craps on her.
Please, the next time you go online to cry over a lost match do at least make some effort to find evidence least it be considered nothing more than a shitpost <.<
The tears of a hardstuck player.
Fight on, fallen one.
I imagine it's hard to nerf Camille in high elo without making her a troll pick in low/average elo
Bro they're not broken. They're just op in the hands of someone who knows how to play them.
has been nerfed for like 5 patches in a row.
is a champion that's well balanced. Deadly when skilled but feeds when trash. Unlike some champion
Camille's ult isnt the problem its just that people realized that practically stunning you from the fog of war considering how far she can get with her E, was better for ganking than just being top. Of course this makes her ult a lot better because she'll always use it right after E.
No dude Irelia needs more buffs obviously
LOL Camille had a nerf already, and she was gutted enough already. Irelia buffs are questionable tho.
Literally played 2 games of Camille in normals and 1 in ranked. My first ranked game with Camille was in Plat 1 (im matched against Diamonds due to my mmr) and I went 24/12/7