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At the risk of cluttering the boards even more with the fill/secondary support issue...

Lovely Pants·3/20/2016, 4:18:19 PM·24 votes·1,665 views

Everyone understands how the system works currently. That's not how people upset with the system want it to work. Can we all just move past this single point of friction in the debate?

-Low queue times and diversity are not mutually exclusive traits desired of the fill role. -Secondary support players are likely players who actively enjoy the role more than any third option, but don't want it every game. -Human decision making is hugely influenced by convenience. Even if you can manually game the system to grant you more diversity, the lack of convenience naturally drives players away from the fill/secondary support choices.

The support role may be unattractive to the majority of players, but you can't grow the support role by forcing players to participate in it. That doesn't seem to be helping queue times for non-support players, and it will only get worse as the support pool is distilled to support mains only.

The system as it stands is not working for anyone except support mains like myself who enjoy half-second queues. It's not about blaming anyone for why this has come to be. Long-term work continues to be done to make the support role more attractive, but there is no obvious guaranteed solution for making the role more popular. It's probably half as much a gameplay issue as a social one, to start.

In the short-term the system needs to be tuned better to accommodate the needs of players. The other way around should not and cannot be expected.

32 Comments

disregardable3/20/2016, 4:26:43 PM6 votes

I really don't think Riot cares. This has been a thing for what, over a month I think? They haven't even said they intend on fixing it.

Arakadia3/20/2016, 7:03:11 PM5 votes

The thing is, because people are always getting support if they put fill or support as a primary, they don't want to play supp every game. Thus they start playing/putting other roles because their bored of going support 10 games in a row. The amount of support players is shrinking and killing itself.

Jesus is Savior3/20/2016, 4:28:54 PM5 votes

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and it will only get worse as the support pool is distilled to support mains only.

This has already happened.

Sincerely, a support secondary who hasn't played support in over 2 months (and doesn't even remember how anymore).

I'm jungle/mid now.

Athenes Lulu3/20/2016, 10:44:03 PM4 votes

The even bigger problem is despite how much people hated support, anyone Q'ing for support primary should get support 100% of the time, right?

Wrong.

When something like this happens, something's going to be super fishy.

Meanie403/20/2016, 9:14:00 PM2 votes

Related request: If I put Support primary, which means I want it more than any other role, and Support is needed far more than any other position, how about giving me Support 100% of the time?

I'm happier. One more person that would be given Support when they don't want it when I get another position is happier.

Seems like a win-win to me.

Hellioning3/20/2016, 7:05:30 PM2 votes

I hear these complaints a lot. And I understand them. But that's usually all they are: complaints. They say 'this is a problem!' without offering a solution to said problem.

doiminat0r36003/20/2016, 7:52:31 PM2 votes

I just got out of a game where I played as Zilean Support. At the end I was 5 levels under the rest of the team whilst my team was flaming me because I didn't save everyone when they jumped back in. Why couldn't I save everyone?

Lack of Gold.
Lack of levels.
Lack of items and choices (ties in with lack of gold).
Lack of respect from team mates.

I got into a game earlier. I went to roam mid and our mid viegar died. He said "F this" then proceded to quit at level 2. We even got the kill on the enemy Vel Koz but I was blamed because our Viegar died.

This needs to stop.

CrazedPorcupine3/20/2016, 10:36:12 PM2 votes

hell, even some support mains are quitting support because they want to play other roles for a bit instead of Support every single game.

Grimmjow2473/21/2016, 12:23:07 AM1 votes

This is really becoming a BIG PROBLEM. I as many have quit the supp secondary role because we get supp 100% of the time. It is becoming so bad that people are now queing as supp. and doing troll stuff. I just had a game where i got adc and my supp was.......... Singed who went ghose smite. Tells me he just getting smite to steal camps. Ok w/e lets go. Nope then trolls me and bascially double jungled and left me to 1v2 bot lane as Jhin against a naut corki. As u can imagine i got rocked and cldnt cs. Then on top of that everytime i died he went to my lane pushed it and went back to double jungle. How fun is that. Its not and now ppl are queing supp and troll picking. I might b done with league if this keeps up because this is costing me ranked games and its not fun at all.

Braum Mechanics3/20/2016, 9:45:20 PM1 votes

I said this in another similar thread and I'll say it here again. Simply make the fill position not give the same role to a player twice in a row.

So if I queue up as fill and get assigned jungle, then my next game won't be jungle if I queue up for the fill role.

I don't think there is anyway to make the support role more desirable. By definition it is a role that is going to be somewhat starved of resources.

The community needs to grow up and stop harassing the support for things beyond his/her control. Give the role the same respect they give to any other role.

The only other thing I can think of is that the next 5 to 6 champs Riot makes are all support and they give them bad ass kits and looks that will make everyone want to play support.

Calabok3/20/2016, 9:49:13 PM1 votes

bump. less support. more primary picks.