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What needs to be addressed - The State of Kha'Zix Post Rework

Light GG·2/2/2017, 7:46:29 AM·65 votes·4,318 views

#Discussing the KhaZix Rework Khazix

Hey I'm making this post on behalf of /r/KhaZix mains and the KhaZix Mains official discord as the Owner/Admin regarding the KhaZix rework and his current state, to explain this in further detail I'll let Nutty explain further :^ )

"Hey guys 3 season challenger Kha'zix player (Proof) wanting to give feedback on the rework for the Kha'zix player community. Myself and other KhaZix mains have been discussing it for the past month and we have come to an agreement on what we like and dislike. To start off I'll do a pros and cons list about changes then go more in-depth after.

##Pros of the rework

  • The W change really fits the overall theme and play-style of what Kha'zix needs to be. Focusing on rewarding catching targets isolated is the main theme and should be heavily focused on throughout his kit. Only Kha'zix Q benefited the isolation mechanic in past patches but now his W also supports it..
  1. Unseen Threat changed to attack damage scaling. This really hit one out of the park, it feels really good in the early game because that's when his passive should be strongest. 3, Removing the damage and slow off of the unevolved W was pretty good too because it gives incentive to maybe evolve W earlier.
  2. Adding that .25 seconds to invis made it feel really smooth and Kha mains everywhere thank Riot for this.

##Cons of the rework

  • Kha'zix's new Q is probably the worst part of the whole rework. There are a few major problems with the new Q evolve. First, his Q refunding cooldown isolated increases his total dps and makes it so Kha'zix has NO DOWNTIME (Having no downtime means you're constantly dpsing). This is huge because the counter to 1v1 tanks is having a high DPS and not having downtime. So by having this new Q refund cooldown Kha can now kill tanks 1v1 in a short amount of time just because of his overall dps. Now you might ask, well Nutty why don't we just nerf the damage to his Q so he can not kill tanks? Well the problem with that is that if you nerf the damage enough on his Q to ensure he does not kill tanks he can no longer kill squishies. Since the new Q is not about burst and it's about DPS that means he will get out bursted by squishies in a 1v1 scenario and also loses to tanks. To sum this up it means that Kha'zix will either be absolutely broken by dueling every role in the game or will be super weak because he will no longer be able to duel ANY role in the game.

    Another reason why the Q is not healthy is because it just straight up feels super clunky... Kha'zix spamming abilities and doing dps and not burst just does not feel right at all. You have to be a smart player managing your Q cooldown in between camps and fighting champions because before you would have to min/max your Q by using it at the correct time and not just spamming it when it's off cooldown. Currently it's evelynn Q reincarnated. Now his Q is NEVER on cooldown so there is no thought process. Last, I want to touch on that the new Kha'zix Q (evolved and not evolved) does way too much damage. He no longer is the champion to punish isolation he is a champion that punishes you if you aren't just under tower for 50 minutes in a game. His isolation damage needs to be increased and his base damage needs to get nerfed by A LOT. This is where most of his skill comes from, managing your camps and dueling to make sure you're getting the most out of isolated Q as possible.

  1. New evolved ult feels kind of gimmicky and not right. The old evolved R was really solid, the community loved it and it was actually situational if you evolved it or not.
  2. While the new passive scaling AD is the right direction, the scaling damage is waaaaay too high. This is where most of his damage comes from now, the early game seems fine but the late game scaling seems like too much.. Simple fix just nerf the late game numbers by a lot.

##Ways to solve these issues

  • To fix the Q I would suggest just completely reverting the unevolved and evolved Q change back to season 6 Q. Kha'zix was arguably the most balanced champion at the time. You either knew how to play against him or you didn't. Really good Kha'zix players could do crazy things that new players could not decision making wise and mechanically.

  • Fixing Q is a simple number tweak to the late game just like stated above.

  • The R either needs to be reverted, left alone no buffs or nerfs, or changed a lot. If you try to buff the ability in any way it will be way too broken just because of the base mechanic of it.

Just to mention it again because it is so important to us Kha'zix mains... We really want the old Q back. It would pretty much fix everything. The feel of the champion, the balance healthiness, while also increasing the skill it takes to play him by a bit. To be completely honest season 6 Kha'zix was pretty balanced in every way and reverting him to his season 6 state would make everyone really happy. There is no shame in reverting changes as long as we head in the right direction that is all that matters.

TLDR: Revert Kha'zix Q to season 6 Q (evolved and unevolved). Lower Kha'zix's passive scaling numbers a little. This will balance him while also making him smooth to play and require a lot more skill. "

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39 Comments

Slaxer2/2/2017, 7:55:28 AM8 votes

yes riot, please think carefully about this deeply.

Looknook2/2/2017, 3:26:58 PM4 votes

Riot doesn't revert champion reworks. No matter how bad they messed up. That said I think you had some great ideas.

Craft Zeppelin2/2/2017, 8:06:46 AM4 votes

All I personally wanted was the passive proc on his W to be back. That stuff was fun to spam

ZILLAGULA2/2/2017, 8:38:57 AM3 votes

I used to main Kha'Zix... He got me to diamond season 6, but I just can't make myself play him much anymore. He was so much fun to play (although a little overtuned imo). It feels like the main part of his kit now revolves around getting your passive AA off as much as possible instead of Q'ing isolated targets. It's also barely possible to E (Q before landing) - Kill an enemy - E again because your Q damage has been lowered.

SanKakU2/2/2017, 4:25:43 PM2 votes

Why not make the cooldown of his Q scale with his attack speed? Then you could increase his cooldown by slowing his attack speed.

sit kid2/2/2017, 8:00:32 AM2 votes

They already have went in that direction so q refund is lowered

damage lowered, but isolation damage up

midnight oil242/2/2017, 4:06:25 PM2 votes

Um... I play kha'zix a lot and I personally enjoy his new ult evo. It allows me to more efficiently sneak around, and gives more usages of it. It used to be "use it to come in for a gank, if you kill them then invis and get away. Now you can come in from the brush, turn invis through the passive, then during the fight you can pop your ult to reposition or get out if thigns are getting tough. I like the new direction of it.

Hello I am Bird2/2/2017, 4:07:17 PM2 votes

I don't like Kha zix, so I'm going to disagree with you because you main kha zix

######Kappa

Darf Rakki2/2/2017, 5:48:49 PM2 votes

Revert Q changes to season 6. leave everything else as is.

honestly I don't know why they changed him so much during assassin rework. he was in a really well balanced spot before this.

SteamedSuperior2/2/2017, 7:35:27 PM2 votes

Kha zix is my favorite champion at the moment and I feel as if he is good where he is. I mean of course I do, I have level 7 with him lol.

Mostro Gallo2/3/2017, 6:41:29 PM2 votes

Lol, i played Khazix regularly pre-rework. Only thing that has really changed (for the better) was arguably is R. Reverting his Q will accomplish nothing...unless you want to make him even stronger than he is now.

Khazix didn't get stronger, the other assassins just got weaker.

Sun Wu Ryuumoku2/2/2017, 4:37:34 PM1 votes

The R either needs to be reverted, left alone no buffs or nerfs, or changed a lot. If you try to buff the ability in any way it will be way too broken just because of the base mechanic of it.

R is actually really strong (item 3147 ). its just not worth to evolve it... just because Q is so strong atm.

SpyKayle2/3/2017, 3:34:37 AM1 votes

I can not even play Kha'Zix anymore, its just not the same.

Wind Whistler2/7/2017, 12:10:17 AM1 votes

This. Exactly. I hate the changes to his ult, and the changes to his Q.

ProvidenceNox2/2/2017, 8:47:28 PM1 votes

I used to love Kha zix. I dont understand why they changed him in the first place, he was really well balanced actually. I do like how they made alternative evolution orders viable, but one order will always be the best and Riot should have accepted that. Q definitely needs to be made more bursty and less DPS again.

Photos of Ghosts2/2/2017, 2:57:54 PM1 votes

Instead of a cooldown refund, maybe Q should be a charge system like VI E, and champion takedowns give him full charges.

This way he doesn't have high DPS against tanks/juggernaut, but if he kills one squishy in 4 seconds with say 2 consecutive Qs he can jump onto another and pop 2 more Qs.

Gnart Even Close2/2/2017, 12:50:07 PM1 votes

So what you're saying is keep AD scaling on passive, W changes, and increased ult duration, but revert everything else?

Requiem2/2/2017, 11:15:04 PM1 votes

First of all i have to say that i almost agree with everything said in this post except that i feel like the W evolution is a bit too strong atm. As a 1,1 million mastery Khazix main i really miss the old Khazix playstyle and it feels a lot less rewarding to be good on him since he isn't as much skill anymore. And the biggest problem for me is that he doesn't feel like an assassin in the sense that he kills tanks better than squishys and it feels really clunky with such a low cooldown on his Q, so when you are in a duel u wont use your R or W since you can get your Q again in 0.96 seconds with 40% cdr. Also his R used to be an ability you used inbetween your Q's to put them out for free but that mechanic is not as useful anymore and it was one of the combo that diffrenciented good Khazix player and bad Khazix player in the late game. Really hope he gets his Q evolution reverted with the compenstaion of a passive ratio nerf Khazix item 3151 item 3070 item 3070

Tormentula2/3/2017, 12:16:39 AM1 votes

Idk why anybody would evolve R over W now. Season 6 Kha'zix it was debatable as you either needed the poke or the extra passive to DPS better, but now that there is DPS in Q and the chances of stepping in a brush, and finding somebody before invis where's off is so situaitonal, R is almost a lose condition if you evolve it.

There will never be an "evolve x before y in situation z" because kha'zix will simply rely on one ability far more than another... early game he wants damage and fed and he'll always option for what gives him more damage, and mid game he wants to make risky plays with those kills to win the game, resulting in those epic double jump E evolution plays. Kha could care less from this point forward cause he has what he needs as an assassin.

I do think the "q spam" is silly, and while yes, it does hit the mark with isolation making a huge difference in trades and shows that the alpha predator will kill his prey alone regardless of size, half the time it feels like he isn't even isolating the tanks to be doing that damage. It feels like I can just jump in on darius, then the support, and then realize the adc exist and go back in and kill who should've been my focus in the first place.

Naomi CoffeeGoat2/2/2017, 12:14:34 PM1 votes

I seriously think that he would be completely balanced and okay for a total revert to before the assassin work. He was fun, balanced, and underrated by people who didn't want to take the time to learn him. But the only champ they're willing to do that for is Kog'Maw considering he singlehandedly broke all attack speed/onhit items and was unbalanceable.