78 cs 4/10 aphelios out a 15/1 akali and a 12/2 kaisa

lolipopevelynn·12/15/2019, 5:46:43 PM·4 votes·1,709 views

Honestly i think this will be a problem. The guy practically inted that game and only had ONE item build and still completely out dmged a fed 12/2 kaisa and almost caught up to a 15/1 akali. Both of which had two items built vs his one item on top of kaisa and akali having near double his CS. I myself was also fed being 7/3 by the end of it and up 2 items over him. I get it, champ is "hard" to learn. But does no one see that this will be a huge problem once people learn him?

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Arammus12/15/2019, 6:02:18 PM2 votes

i mean the kda doesnt really say much about the damage output. you can be 30/0 and still deal less than 5k damage. if youre just lucky and always "last hit" a champion kill.

also comparing 3 broken champs that all are able to 1shot pretty easily with another is a stupid idea imo. to me thats like comparing a 5 stack darius ult to a garen ult when both build full tank. it still does insane amounts of true damage.

StormBladeMaster12/15/2019, 7:42:39 PM2 votes

He is broken ofc, what do you except from an adc that has everything except mobility maybe but he has movespeed bonus...

Seriously his kit is the most overloaded kit ever made. When he will be played better, he will need to get gutted. Riot said he was supposed to be complicated but i don't find him complicated actually. A little bit of reading and one game in pratice mode and you understand 80% of his kit because his weapons are differents and you can easily recognize them.

First his passive stats are stupid. Giving Ad ok, giving As why not but giving free armor pen ? Aphelios is the only adc champ that can have access to free armor pen in his kit because of his passive.

Calibrum : The starting weapon. The range is too much. It's need to be nerfed. The next champ will be able to hit your from base with his AA if we keep on making champ like this.

Severum : Free lifesteal... And the active Q is too much powerful. The regen need a nerf.

Gravitum : So, what the purpose of Ashe riot ? You made a champ who can have the same passive as her. This weapon give him CC and ability to hit and run or to chase.

Infernum : Completely nuts. Graves needs to be close to you. This guy can have Graves AA with no CD and the ulti with infernum is broken. The dmg is disgusting.

Crescendum : Broken too, when he can stacks boomerangs, his AA can almost oneshoot someome.

This champion is dumb but i knew it honestly. Releasing a champ that has substain, dmg, poke, slow, CC, Zone dmg with critic, capacity to outrade everyone and dps + movespeed bonus.

How do you want to balance this ? It's like Irelia or Akali. You would need to gut their dmg to the lowest point to make them acceptable.

I don't understand why everyone is like "oh cool this champ and everything"... For me this champ is the sign that riot don't care about their game, about the balance and they learn nothing from overloaded previous champ.

The next champ will be able to AA you from base, i'm seeking the future guys.

PS : To all people who will show me his winrate, trying to prove he isn't broken. First he is a new champ and his play rate is around 90% so ofc his win rate isn't going to be good until people will play him better. And when they will be better on him, this champ will have 55-57% win rate because his dmg is insane and because his kit is overloaded.

ZephyrDrake12/15/2019, 6:08:05 PM1 votes

you do know that KDA literally means nothing. You can have champions with no kills and assists having the highest damage dealt in the game. Poke champions can have some of the biggest damage dealts while not getting any kills. You fighting someone who takes forever to kill is going to give you insane damage dealt vs an enemy who is killing people like it's nothing won't have nearly as much damage dealt

lolipopevelynn12/15/2019, 7:21:18 PM1 votes

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you do know that KDA literally means nothing. You can have champions with no kills and assists having the highest damage dealt in the game. Poke champions can have some of the biggest damage dealts while not getting any kills. You fighting someone who takes forever to kill is going to give you insane damage dealt vs an enemy who is killing people like it's nothing won't have nearly as much damage dealt

in what world does a a carry champ with one item and next to zero kill participation out dmgs another carry with two items over 15 kill participation?

More importantly tho, who on either team do you even think took "forever" to kill? no tanks were in the game unless you really want to count the cinderhulk ww...

Beerstein12/15/2019, 8:14:50 PM1 votes

Just a tip, stick to one comparison, it makes your argument feel weak (which is why some are attacking it) when you don't.

Example: You use KDA for one champ, one item vs 2 with no cost comparison, CS for another etc. etc.

Reality: You should just use gold spent at the time, and any dragon buffs which should account for all of the above across the board and then some without flipflopping around in a way that makes your argument look intentionally skewed to favor your view, all with a lack of providing in depth data on the situation for external analysis.

In short, you made an argument without proper data, and didn't give us the proper data to refute your claim. Feels almost like every other news article these days, and don't get me started on "Opinion" pieces.

In addition, we have no clue who hit or missed what, there are definitely skillshots involved in the champions you're discussing, as well as CDSs to be considered (especially Akali shroud, for example). I just can't enter this discussion without more information and have a solid basis for a single thing I say against what you posted, though that feels like the intent.

Am I concerned about an OP champ release? Sure. But this thread tells me nothing and gives me no room to discuss anything.