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Anyone tell me how Vlad E is not broken?

My eeeeel·5/6/2016, 2:49:26 PM·62 votes·7,992 views

TL;DR Even if vladimir lands his E, he loses more HP than his target.

For every single skills, you spend mana and cooldown, and get something, such as healing, damage to enemy, CC, or other utilities. (Well. Bard and Trundle E bit tricky but generally)

Also, if you miss your skill, you get punished for your missing mana and cooldown. Well, if you dash in when you are not supposed to, you also get punished, but that is more like decision making.

Yet, for vlad E, not only you get punished for not using properly, but for just using the skill itself. Every league skills, if you land it in 1v1 match, you profit. Vlad E, if you just use it, it takes 10% of your hp. That HP pays for increased damage, which is 10% of HP + 3070 + 0.35 AP It sounds like you do 3070+0.35 more damage to enemy than the HP cost you used, but it is not. The damage is not true damage so it is mitigated by enemy's magic resistance. The actual additional damage dealt would be (10% of HP + 30~70 + 0.35 AP)/(1+0.01 MR). Now, let's plug in the value for the actual game. Full build Vladimir (From fow.kr statistics and I took top 6 popularity items: item 3157 item 3116 item 3152 item 3065 item 3001 item 3009 ) has 3677 HP (1987 Base+188 Runes + 27 Mastery + 1200 Item +275 Passive) and 331 AP (15 Rune + 260 Item + 56 Passive) Full build Malphite has 244 MR (53 Base+27 Rune+155 Item + 9 Mastery) With Vlad's Magic Penetration, it is 211 MR. So Vlad would be playing 367.7 HP (+ missed opportunity to auto) for (367.7+70+156)/(3.11) = 191

Now let's talk about VS squishy target (ADC). ADC typically gets flat MR, no MR per level, but benefits from support solari buff and builds item 3156 item 3102 item 3139 . Let's say he got Maw, since QSS no longer removes vlad ult debuff and no banshee. ADC would have 97 MR (30 Base + 12 Rune + 15 Solari + 40 Maw) Effective MR would be 64. Vlad would do 336 Additional Damage for his 10% Max HP, 367+90 AD from potential auto.

This means, if Vlad misses it (or enemy hide behind minion, or just CC vlad and his E gets CANCELED while he still has to pay for the cost) he's taking damage as much as a enemy mid laner's skill. Even he lands it on one target, he loses more HP than he does damage. Even if he manages to land it to more than one (and not get blocked), he barely profits, 191*2-368=14. Considering he can't auto while charging E, charging is not worth it even if you can land it on two enemies. (1 auto >> 14)

Now, please someone persuade me that his E is not broken. Consider Mundo's Q, E or Mordekaiser Q, W, E have way higher (<<1:5) damage to hp cost ratio, while vladimir have less than 1.

169 Comments

Solidarius5/6/2016, 8:24:25 PM8 votes

I dont know if the guy who started this discussion has ever played vlad but.... as a vlad main im here to here to tell you, that his E is not broken out of all of his new abilities its quite stable

E makes you lose a lot of health mid game and late game, but it makes up for it with the enhanced damage,

as a good vlad player you should be spamming and combo your e,q,w, all the time, especially if you are going CDR vlad.

for me personally, i get around 28-40% CDR by around 15min in the game, because i play CDR vlad, so the health cost of his new E, is non existant if i combo my empowered Q and W.

at late game your not suppose to E front line tanks, you use your positioning right. flash ect whatever u have to do, get to the back line, charge up e, with W if possible, and R ect and can possibly destory/delete their carries.

the only real problem with vlad right now for me is the timing, its goten so much harder to time everything and positing, i used to go CDR boots, now i have to go movement speed boots, just to have a chance at landing my abilities.

his Q base damage is shitty, i find my self using the first 2 q's just to slow enemiesitem 3116 in order to get my E off

anyway i heard rito is buffing him, so im hopefull it will help him a bit.

to any other Vlad mains out there, what are you guys building? there so many dam choices, i dont know if im building him right anymore. mabey that is where iam going wrong.

1374345/6/2016, 4:33:01 PM3 votes

Vlad's E max damage is 140+10% of your max health + 0.70 AP. With your example build that is 739 damage not taking into account resistances. It is not 70 + 10% of max health + 0.35 AP. With 211 MR that is 237 damage. Yes that is less than the cost to use...but you are also talking about using your skills on a tank.

70+2.5% of max health + 0.35 AP is the initial damage, but that only costs 2.5% of your max health to use. 30-70 is how the initial base damage scales with ability level.

Moral of the story: if your abilities cost health... don't use them solely on a late game tank. Vlad isn't suppose to be a tank buster.

Jiharu5/6/2016, 4:48:43 PM2 votes

yeah, he has better sustain if you get off more transfusions against them and build item 3065 first if you are against a tank. You aren't playing for raw damage.

Eevee In A Jar5/6/2016, 3:22:22 PM2 votes

Yeah that's a bit strange I guess they want you to decide strategically when you can use it offensively rather than use it every combo?

Nathaniell15/6/2016, 7:55:25 PM1 votes

Also.. as I look to your game history.. you actualy played one game with him(and went 9/1).. and one custom vs malzahar which you loose.. and yet, you perfectly know him.. thats funny.

Kuroi865/6/2016, 8:07:03 PM1 votes

Vlad is a mage, taking on a tank is not advantageous. Against a high MR tank it's best to focus on clearing the wave and just using Q to keep sustained, not using E against the tank.

When dealing with a squishy opponent, I find it to be particularly satisfying to drop the ult, then start charging E, activate W to close the gap and wait for E to pop and disengage W, then hit with Q and possibly Ignite. If you've an enhanced Q ready, you can potentially kill the squishy with just that one rotation, depends on how fed you are.

Vlad has very much become an APBruiser/Battle mage. He takes some learning, but he has some devastating potential damage.

Holyfrost Sub5/8/2016, 2:21:40 AM1 votes

Hello all i am going to leave my experience here. I played New Vladimir and i think he is the MOST broken champion in the entire game.

Here is why. I played vladirir in aram.

I 1v5 the enemy team overs and overs and overs it was crazy. Ok so why is he OP ?

first off his Q scales off ap...which is utterly useless. Wait till you get 2 stacks and his Q becomes a decent single target nuke and decent healing. W scales off his bonus health. You can do ALOT of damage with this skill. E scales off ability power AND health. The scaling is messed up because ap gives like no damage, while health gives you like ALOT of damage.

SO what you do is build health armor and magic resist. I had about 100 ability power and 4000 health as vladimir at level 18 and ended the game that way. Health gives MORE DAMAGE to his W and E than ability power ever will.

KEY WORDS - STACK HEALTH. RUSH IN CAST E THEN W ...E EXPLOSION WILL POP WHILE IN BLOOD POOL AND BOOM DAMAGE. Add your ult for more damage and VLADIMIR IS BROKEN AS SHIT.

at 4000 health and 281 armor and 165 mr i was soloing their team and getting penta kills.

Vladimir will be nerfed i am sure.

Get warmogs, spirit visage, randuin's omen sunfire cape dead man's plate merc treades and pwn

NOW i am not very good at summoner's rift but i think you will need gold and health runes and health / tank masteries as well as early ganks to start snowballing. Also movement speed quitenssences are good as well as maybe ghost and flash.

My pool was draining about 400 health and my E eas doing 600 magic dagae and my ult was doing an extre 400 damage i was an aoe machine.

VLADIMIR is OP play him before he gets nerfed.