So why is Vlad allowed to be a manaless lane bully and a hyper carry?

Justus Dominus·Jul 23, 2015·6 votes·1,289 views

How the fuck is that fair?

15 Comments

Lord DusteonJul 23, 20158 votes

...Because he's only a lane bully against REALLY immobile melees at level 1-2, and then just crys until level 9? Because his earlygame is entirely dependent on never being ganked and never being jumped on?

Justus DominusJul 23, 20151 votes

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...Because he's only a lane bully against REALLY immobile melees at level 1-2, and then just crys until level 9? Because his earlygame is entirely dependent on never being ganked and never being jumped on?

Well good thing he is fucking ungankable. Also he heals any ranged damage off. Nice try though.

CreationFlawJul 23, 20151 votes

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Well good thing he is fucking ungankable. Also he heals any ranged damage off. Nice try though.

Wait, his ungankable is the same distance as Aatrox and Sejuani :s.

Lord DusteonJul 23, 20154 votes

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Well good thing he is fucking ungankable. Also he heals any ranged damage off. Nice try though.

Good thing his only escape is on a 26 second cooldown for half the game and costs 20% of his current health. Good thing his Q can't outheal his E's health costs until after he gets Spellvamp. Good thing he has low base stats then.

Look, until level 9 he isn't a useful bully. Until spellvamp he can't outheal his own E's. He's a lane bully ONLY against champions that are extremely immobile melees, and even then he's not that good until level 9 or spellvamp. If you can't force his pool early (which gives your jungler 26 seconds for a free kill) you fucked up bad. He can't survive any fight early, and he can't do anything to any form of all in except pool and hope he isn't all in'd again.

Justus DominusJul 23, 20151 votes

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Good thing his only escape is on a 26 second cooldown for half the game and costs 20% of his current health. Good thing his Q can't outheal his E's health costs until after he gets Spellvamp. Good thing he has low base stats then.

Look, until level 9 he isn't a useful bully. Until spellvamp he can't outheal his own E's. He's a lane bully ONLY against champions that are extremely immobile melees, and even then he's not that good until level 9 or spellvamp. If you can't force his pool early (which gives your jungler 26 seconds for a free kill) you fucked up bad. He can't survive any fight early, and he can't do anything to any form of all in except pool and hope he isn't all in'd again.

Yeah force the pool against a guy who is going to stand way back farming safely.

K son

Lord DusteonJul 23, 20153 votes

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Yeah force the pool against a guy who is going to stand way back farming safely.

K son

Just for normal toplane picks.

Aatrox - 16 second cooldown Q, can all in Vlad, force a pool, then do it again while his pool is down. Comes with hard CC and early game pressure. Chogath - Immobile, but W is a silence that outranges Vlad's entire kit and Q is a large duration knock up and slow with high range. If he lands any Q or W Vlad pools or loses most of his health; past 6, he pools or dies. Darius - Immobile, favors worse than most of the others. E can get Vlad if Darius steps closer to Vlad during his cast times, and a WQ will mean even if he pools you can still lay down hurt. Harder lane, but early game Darius can force a pool (he'll need jungler assistance to kill most likely, but he can reliably force Vlad to pool or die). DrMundo - Farm from range with cleavers, don't give a shit about Vlad and just tank everything. Allows a rushed Spirit Visage, but it's Mundo; he's not trying to win lane, just farm. Ekko - Long ranged poke with Q, easy all ins with E, and a passive on W that makes Vlad's health costs even worse. Landing a W on him means he needs to pool (and likely flash) or die. Fizz - Q and E both have lower cooldowns than Vlad's W, and his % missing health damage makes his pool hurt him even more. Easy lane early.

Not doing it for every single champion, since I'm not THAT bored yet. Most champions can reliably force Vlad to pool or die early though, as Vlad is very short ranged and squishy.

Byakuya KuchikiJul 23, 20153 votes

"hyper carry"

Justus DominusJul 23, 20151 votes

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"hyper carry"

I see that you agree. Thanks for the bump.

Very Hard EngageJul 23, 20152 votes

hes super weak before he buys, hes only a pest if you let him Q you without you dealing damage back to him. hes so weak before he buys, and he brings virtually zero kill potential by himself.

once he gets his his item 3145 thats when he becomes an annoying pest who keeps his stacks up on his E, wave clears, and hopefully only needs to press Q on you to stay at full hp.

i can assure you, he is easily destroyed if you put any slows on him before he pools, in addition hes super easy to zone because he has low MS and you can go after him(zone him) starving him of CS just by walking towards him, if not you get a free auto and ability which will deal a lot of damage to him.

the way to beat vlad is to build early AD and quickly get to him and burst him, and not let him stay in lane and Q forever.

if at any point you can shove him out of lane, thats when you back for more ad and you immediately keep doing that and suddenly you have kills and he can no longer stay in lane at all, or better you coordinate with your jungler and you outright camp him.

Justus DominusJul 23, 20151 votes

So in other words you are saying I should CC him and do damage to him. Kind of like every champion in the game?

Very Hard EngageJul 23, 20151 votes

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So in other words you are saying I should CC him and do damage to him. Kind of like every champion in the game?

/thread, unranked feeder complaining about 1 champion who recently dominated him. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Justus%20Dominus

Justus DominusJul 23, 20151 votes

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/thread, unranked feeder complaining about 1 champion who recently dominated him. http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Justus%20Dominus

And yet I'm right? Nice lack of an argument though. LCS speaks for itself.

Justus DominusJul 23, 20151 votes

Oh. And Vlad is EXTREMELY easy btw

67chromeJul 23, 20151 votes

LoL is a game that heavily favors skill over counter-picks. You'll note most of the top-meta champions focus more on being a swiss-army knife or jack-of-all-trades capable of adapting to a wide range of scenarios rather than just steam-rolling over a certain archetype and rendering them useless.

As such - if you're skilled enough with a 'weak early' champion, you'll be able to have a solid early. Riot allows Vlad to be a manaless lane bully and carry because being a lane-bully is a reward granted to everyone with more and more skill invested in a champion.

Skill is a massive factor in LoL - a bronze player counter-picking a challenger player is still going to get brutally slaughtered and loose horrifically.

If a Vlad player puts in the time to understand the strengths and weaknesses, power spikes and power sinks, of himself compared to a wide range of opponents: then he'll be able to exploit your weaknesses, play to his strengths, make sure he's always got solid footing and high-ground, and make tactically sound decisions while you struggle at every turn.

So don't Q_Q about a champion beating you because imbalance and it's not your fault and the game's so unfair. Work on getting better and more skilled as a player.