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Bronze Players Can Give Helpful Advice Reply

WinBoat·8/1/2017, 9:18:33 PM·3 votes·764 views

Just a reply to the sarcastic thread made recently.

It's hilarious how many people in high elo think a bronze player can't give helpful advice because "they're bronze". Hello high rated players, do you get paid to play this game? Are you in the League LCS, the highest level you can reach? If not, then you don't have room to give advice either and can shut it. You see how dumb that logic is? I'll give an example.

Look at professional sports in real, whether it's NFL, NBA, MLB, Nascar, or whatever.... Take one look at them being managed by a "coach". A coach who looks overweight more than likely, has never played professional, perhaps never even played the sport in college, but here they are giving advice, coaching their team.

This example alone eliminates the whole "bronze players cant give advice". Cause it's just stupid logic, those guys on their high horse in plat, diamond, and so on think they have a low IQ or something lol..... Now obviously not all bronze players will give good advice, but a few probably can but just cant execute it well themselves for whatever the reason is. Maybe they got a hand injury, or an illness preventing them from ranking.

So if you are going to use the bronze players can't give advice, then you can't either because you don't get paid and are not in the League LCS because after all, that's the important place to be, otherwise League if nearly a waste, or at the very least recreational activity, meaning that whatever rating you are doesn't matter cause well, you not in the LCS. Why are you not in the LCS? Cause you aren't good enough. You can't give advice and have no room to give advice because if you had "good advice" you'd be in the league LCS LOL!! That logic.

Sorry, but players in any rating can give good advice, (NOT ALL PLAYERS), but some. Just they can't execute in performance cause they dont got it, just like the coaches in sports.

Alright boys, make another dumb logic thread so I can debunk it. I can hear the sheep already coming to DV this thread :) I'm right tho.

EDIT want to give some interesting pieces of information i found out (Do not put this with the thread I made, or respond to this part in the edit section).

  1. Huzzygames who gets Diamond every season put out a video in "this is why you are in this rank. I think it was the video "this is why you are bronze". So he was giving advice to bronze players. But here's something... Even some higher rated players told him they could have used that advice......
  2. Ghost To Lane made a couple videos letting bronze players play diamond level matches (cause some bronze players say they would be in diamond if they were lucky to get good teammates). Well, some of them did well. I mean the one bronze player did a flashy play on a challenger who was ranked 6th... And ended up with first blood, or the kill (still lost, I blame it on the Riven pick honestly, but hey, its whatever). There was a Yasuo main I think who was given a Diamond account, he went and destroyed some Diamond players, and keep in mind, this was a bronze player lol..... (Think he did bad the 2nd match, but again, probably just the champion selection, cause in my opinion, games are won sometimes in champ select, and yasuo, and riven I would prefer not to have on my team cause you can beat them easy).

29 Comments

aZ3R0n8/1/2017, 9:26:26 PM4 votes

I'd rather take game advice and strategy from someone who CAN climb and is in the top 90% of players than someone who can't climb and is in the bottom 50% of players.

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chipndip18/1/2017, 10:01:10 PM2 votes

I don't think anyone wants your advice as a Silver V player, and you being salty about that is unnecessary.

ReySolomon8/1/2017, 9:30:35 PM1 votes

Bronze/silver players give that vibe where ''i'm good enough for challenger but w/e RITO'' and I see these types of posts everyday so... Who's going to listen to them?

five oh tree 8/1/2017, 9:41:33 PM1 votes

See, micro play (mechanics, etc) is about 20% of climbing, while macro is 80%. So if someone is stuck in bronze, it means they consistently make stupid decisions. Why listen to them? Silver is just a shitshow all around and is a representation of the average player, so I could believe them knowing something, but bronze? no. Their game knowledge is just lacking at that point, which makes whatever argument they have less believable. Why would I listen to a below average player about balance? They're playing a completely different game than me.

You didn't debunk anything, and your logic is poor. But go on, tell me how your game knowledge is challenjour and how you could climb if you felt like it lul.

Cocho8/1/2017, 10:40:27 PM1 votes

The problem occurs when they're giving advice/logic on the same thing that makes them bronze. Coaches are usually not the type of guy that just screams at the tv all day then one day shows that he has knowledge of the game one day somehow to the right person. They were usually involved with their sport all their lives and have proven that they are knowledgeable through results. Otherwise they wouldn't be a coach.

Coaches often were players when they were young. I'd argue most of them played to some extent. I'll use this example. Ron Rivera https://imgur.com/6UcBKxd https://imgur.com/7rv8h7h

When you're performing at that high level, your calorie intake is pretty high. Athletes eat alot. Sometimes people continue their habits. But things slow down naturally as you become older. Combine that, to the stress and long days when you're coaching, its no wonder coaches often weight. They don't have alot of spare time and they have alot of stress. Just being on the bigger side and judging their lives off of just that is just ignorant and wrong.

The argument you're making is bad, because being on the bigger side might as well be comparable to mechanics. It has nothing to do with their knowledge.

Your two points of those youtubers has nothing to do with bronze giving advice. It makes it sound like bronze are closer to high elo players than we think, but there are tons of things that go into the game.

Keyless11/23/2017, 12:58:08 PM1 votes

League of legends is 20% mechanics and 80% decision making. Decision making is formed from knowledge of the game. With sheer mechanics alone you cannot break past silver and bronze. The reverse is true however. If your decision making is perfect but you lack mechanics, then you retain 80% of being what is known as "good" or in other words the top 20% of players (which is in gold). Bronze and silver players cannot give advice simply because their game knowledge got them to where they are at. An example is that many low elo players never build bork on Renekton. They do not know all the full combo rotations or animation cancels, so they make statements from certain facts like "renekton cannot kill that champ, etc". However, higher level renektons use bork because they know the animation cancels (you can get 5 bork autos in a 1/4 second with a animation cancel from renekton). That means in certain matchups where low elo players would say "renek loses to that champ", renekton would win those matchups if the player executes the more advanced combos. Of course execution of game knowledge is required, but mechanics change the outcome of that knowledge. Another example is a low elo player stating that tristana cannot do much in the early game or ekko automatically loses to malzahar. They may think that because they do not know how to execute based on mechanics. For example, malzahar as seen by low elo players would just need to ult ekko when ekko dives in to kill or tristana lacks early game pressure. However, ekko can beat malzahar fairly easily by pulling off certain advanced combos and tristana in the hands of a good player has incredible all in potential early on. You can't be trash at game knowledge and expect to be gold by sheer mechanics. To attain gold + you need to at least have basic understanding of the game. Bronze players and silver players do not have that. I have proven my silver and bronze player friends wrong time and time again.

TLDR: its logical to understand bronze players cannot give advice. League is mostly decision making based rather than sheer mechanics. Because they are bronze it shows a lack of game knowledge and therfore takes away credibility from any statements they make. Assuming a player has perfect decision making but low mechanics, they should at least be in gold tier or above. Even I as a plat player will still find some advice from gold players to be credible, but not silver or bronze. If your decision making is decent, you should not be in bronze or silver PERIOD.