Azir needs changes

Trample·7/4/2016, 7:23:49 AM·21 votes·1,770 views

I don't really care what his winrate is, there is nothing fun about playing against an Azir. He has everything: poke, burst, sustained damage, mobility, and an ult that let's him go fuck you to any diving champion. On top of that, Azir is a lane bully that also transitions into a late game hypercarry, like what?

Seriously, Riot has gone on and on about not wanting to create generalist champions anymore, but there is literally nothing that Azir can't do. There's a reason you see him in nearly every Pro game, and it's cuz he just does to much.

34 Comments

Astôlfo7/4/2016, 1:20:18 PM4 votes

And yet he's still a sub-par mediocre pick in terms of actual results despite everything he has/people whine about. But of course repwhore QQ threads are always popular :P

Also of course since you want to overexaggerate and make generalistic statements, I can disprove them here too. Azir does not have sustain, he does not have stealth, he still has mana unlike some champions which means he still has to manage it properly, he doesn't have any durability or tankiness to survive actually being hit on, he does not have a blink, a teleport, a DoT, an immortality/invulnerability/undeath ability, he does not have a heal ability, so on and so forth. So no, he does not have everything nor does he do everything.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/JzHtbE4g-the-hard-data-about-everyones-favorite-chicken-god-and-what-it-proves

oh that zed7/4/2016, 7:27:37 AM4 votes

you're not forced to kill him during the laning phase. you sound like someone who tried to do that and ended up feeding. if you're playing a ranged champ, farm from afar, if you're playing melee, you probably have a ranged attack.

manbearswine7/4/2016, 10:53:35 AM3 votes

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I don't really care what his winrate is,

You know the boards would've crucified you for such heresy if he didn't see so much competitive play?

You may have got lucky today, but careful with such heresy in the future, the boards don't take it lightly when you question their winrate gods.

Dabrick017/4/2016, 6:21:01 PM2 votes

Boy, he's supposed to poke.

He's also the definition of a control mage.

BUT, I have a solucian.

Ban him if you can't play against him.

Blue Moon Wolf7/4/2016, 9:34:22 AM2 votes

The problem isn't Azir. The problem is zoning champs as a whole. People who learn to use zoning champs well know where to stand to keep up the pressure, but still stay safe. Heimerdinger is one of the most frustrating enemies to face cause of how his turrets can tear you apart and all he has to do is circle around them so they can fire on you. Zyra has had a high win rate since she got reworked. Why? cause she can practically spawn twice the amount of plants she could before and and bait you with her passive, just to spawn another seed with her W, root you and use her Q to turn it into a ranged plant that can keep hitting you as you retreat. Zoning champs require a different way to play that people have a hard time working around. Azir is not unique when it comes to this. You have to figure out how to get around his wall of damage and even after you get around it, he likely has some way to get away prepared just incase. Also, that Ult is practically worthless anymore. sure it blocks, but it's 3 seconds long and has a very small width when you first get it. It's almost not even worth using till lvl 2 anymore. They nerf it anymore, it will be as effective as a Trundle W without the slowing AOE. Yes, it's an annoying ult, but there are PLENTY of annoying ults in this game. Hell, we have Fizz that owns a W that lets him dodge all damage for a few seconds, gap close/ escape and do AOE damage, and that's his W. compared to a lot of the other abilities in this game, Azir's ult is crap.

Mogarl7/4/2016, 3:52:35 PM2 votes

He shouldn't have the slow on his Q. He always get's item 3116 and so the slow only gives a late game champion more early harass power than they should have. He already has his E and R for safety the slow on Q just adds unnecessary power

stealthfox947/4/2016, 4:33:36 PM1 votes

I've done well against Azir as mid Jayce.

TheDyNaM07/4/2016, 1:25:48 PM1 votes

I have played quite a lot of Azir (about 60 games) before and after the nerfs hit. He was definitely too strong before the nerfs, especially the ultimate duration. 2 seconds now may be short, but for pros, it's still enough time. I'm far from having mastered Azir but he is very weak to ganks early on. Cheese lvl2 gank works amazing on him, since E will not be leveled up until 4.

However, doing W-Q costs mana, and if he tries to poke you too much, he will end up oom and will have to choose between farming/harassing.

I also played a fair share of games against him. Obviously a range mage is very good. Standing besides minions will help: If he pokes you down with Q, he can't clear waves after. Also a lot of Azir don't master the Q range so always keep the distance with AZIR and not the SOLDIERS.

Once he got some levels and AS, don't try to trade too long, clear up waves and wait for teamfights. Most Azir including me at this stage will push the waves ASAP, so you won't lose CS if you are a bit patient.

On the PBE I think there is a nerf to his soldiers damage. It will actually be lower at early levels and scale up to his regular damage late. This is a fair nerf IMO and I'm ok with it.

blfUvZ8Ybu7/4/2016, 6:28:25 PM1 votes

I'm enjoying with Azir so shut up.

The Last Ballad7/4/2016, 6:41:02 PM1 votes

Riot has gone on and on about not wanting to create generalist champions anymore

Anymore. That is the keyword. Azir is what? Almost 2 years old? That is rather far in the past, so the "anymore" would not apply to him, as it was said after his creation.

blfUvZ8Ybu7/4/2016, 7:11:52 PM1 votes

Azir's kit is nice.Also Azir isn't problematic champion.You can balance Azir but Rito can not balance Ryze so Ryze got 5-6 rework but no Azir rework.

Also Azir isn't banned patch 6.12. You shouldn't talk without knowing.

Divewing7/5/2016, 7:45:52 AM1 votes

He has poke and burst because Q deals too much damage. And it shouldn't. Its primary use should be repostitioning soldiers, not damage (I could probably argue it doesn't even need ANY damage).

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/95VVkoAF-a-god-who-calls-himself-emperor-a-comprehensive-dissection-azirs-kit

Can read this for my more succinct answer if you're actually concerned about Azir and not just semi-aimlessly whining.

WaterTribe7/5/2016, 12:58:58 PM1 votes

I think they should do to him what they did with Zyra. If multiple soldiers are attacking one target, the target should take % reduced damage or something like that.

So for example:

1 Soldier = full damage 2 Soldiers = 10% reduced damage 3 Soldiers = 20% reduced damage etc.

Also, I don't play much of Azir but if multiple soldiers + q all deal damage then they should keep that unchanged so he isn't gutted.

s LessThanThree7/5/2016, 2:21:12 PM1 votes

they already listened to you boosted animals complain and azir has been nerfed repeatedly. learn to play against him. pick viktor/zed/something that fucks him up.