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Riot might want to not follow the community's will to nerf/buff

Cute Vegan Boy·9/20/2015, 11:09:07 PM·30 votes·1,267 views

Just my opinion, but I feel like if Riot didn't follow through when everyone complains about something, the game might actually be in a more balanced state.

The community whines a lot. I don't know why, but we do. Something tells me we either:

A) Should stop whining and let Riot sort things out themselves or B) Riot should stop nerfing/buffing where the community says they should

If you ever read the Boards, people complain about mobility, damage, CC, range, pretty much everything. E.G. "Holy f*cking mage mains are literally cancer like oh lemme just take half your health away with one q from 2000 range xD xD"

The only thing to provoke such an outburst is losing to that champion hard, and then being hyperbolic in the boards to catch people's attention.

This shouldn't happen. Let champions be strong, especially if they're ahead. If you find yourself complaining about true damage, just remember she's built to do that. She's primarily a duelist and a tank shredder, but people start calling her op when she gets ahead and starts to 1v2 and 1v3, so they aim their rage at the most powerful part of her kit, her true damage.

Same goes for other champions like or . is supposed to be an assassin, and he's supposed to do a lot of damage.

is supposed to be mobile.

Let them be.

19 Comments

Starfish H9/20/2015, 11:39:56 PM14 votes

The boards, I feel should not have a big influence in changes. For examples the Juggernauts. Most of the boards thought Garen would be weak with his new W and Villian Passive and be even more unpopular than he was before. Most of the boards thought Skarner was laughable with his new passive and just thought he was trash. Then now they are all begging for nerfs and complaining.

A Miss Fortune9/21/2015, 2:27:37 AM5 votes

Recently:

Garen Traded free 30% Tenacity, 20% AR/MR, longer Silence, longer Movement Speed buff, stronger sustain for situational true damage that's only effective on a specific member of the enemy team that can more than likely be their 20-0 Vayne. If you said Garen was OP before you would be considered a troll.

Fiora People said her heal was garbage and she was useless. Now we're seeing people demanding her heal to be nerfed and it alone winning most teamfights.

Gangplank People said his barrels were useless and didn't reward you well enough until it began one-shotting ADCs and had multiple significant nerfs to It's damage.

Marthian9/20/2015, 11:39:26 PM5 votes

Except Riot doesn't really nerf/buff based on community output: Everyone that isn't a Lee Sin player didn't want buffs for Lee Sin, they still haven't nerfed Vayne (or BoRK, which is what enables her so much), Blitzcrank and Thresh still have ridiculous kits, etc.

Also, not every post is a QQ/whine thread, I find some that are actually reasonable posts, and there is a world of difference between whining and pointing out something that is problematic (Previous example: Vayne is too strong, and there's plenty of stats and player experience to prove it. Morde is another example.)

Boulderox9/21/2015, 12:01:50 AM4 votes

very true, but situations like Garen for instance and in most cases the juggernaut rework as a whole was out of the blue and look how they are handeled. Garen breaks your ruling "Let champions be strong, especially if they're ahead." but then again i could rant how they gave garen EVERYTHING he could ever wish to be a broken as hell champ, but i digress.

darius + item 3065 you cannot say is fair in any respect

Skarner was overshot to hell

Mordekaiser i still don't know what to do with him.

There is also a fine line between whining and trolling which the boards has its fair share of, but i agree that boards can be a whine fest at times.

A large problem arising in league is half the champions cannot stand up to any of the new ones because they do not have 3 passives and true damage.

From my first time at league, we have gone through Knock up era Yasuo Velkoz Braum Gnar Azir Kalista RekSai (ALL have some form of knockup(azir r i think still classifies as a knockback/knockup after losing his e knockup)).

Age of mobility among it. pretty much ^^^^ exclude velkoz and add in every champ up until now having some sort of dash, or increasing ground through MS or straight up broken COUGH COUGH Ekko HERE take dash AND blink in the same skill.

And the new one that is showing its ugly head TRUE DAMAGE and % hp era Fiora TahmKench and the lovely upcoming ADC jungler with %max damage...

If i sound like there is complaint there, there is and isn't. Overloaded kits, Although have been posted plenty of times before on the boards, is TRUE. Too many new champs are becoming overdone because that is what they NEED to keep the game afloat for the LCS and players alike. I dislike the idea that was stated above. And find where problems such as these arise.

Vayne is an adc with the power to shred through tanks, and the utility of an assassin, and the chasing power that is unmatched in certain respects. The fact when one champion has the utility to be every other role in one.

Like kindred, i love the idea of having a new jungler that can have 2v1 for clears, but giving her the power of an adc, the utility of a support, magical 3's return and %max hp to top it off.

SEKAI9/21/2015, 4:58:28 AM3 votes

This has to be kidding, pretty much only once did Riot actually listened to the community, during the Lee backlash on a nerf he deserved.

Countless broken releases, imbalanced/bad reworks and awful balance decisions could have been prevented if they had listened to the community and PBE more, but they didn't and almost never listened to any of the feedbacks.

If anything, they should starting weighing the accountability of community's opinion because clearly, as proven time and time again, they can't really sort out stuff their own without botching it in some way.

It always yield the best result when the company and the customers work together, I can't see the harm doing so with Riot too.

Raptamei9/21/2015, 4:24:13 PM2 votes

Riot should follow the community's will.

If the community whines that X is overpowered, it means the community is displeased when playing against X and will quit the game unless this is fixed.

If Riot has the stats to demonstrate that X is fine, too bad, they'll have to make X feel less oppressive without actually nerfing X (and without ruining the identity of X). Yes, that's harder than just reducing numbers. That's what they get paid for.

2ManyJons9/21/2015, 5:30:09 AM2 votes

I think there are some things riot should look into.

I just lost a game to a Trundle who build a BORK and Sated Devourer. That's all, that's all it took for him to auto attack me (leona) do death upon seeing me.

2 Items should not be all it takes to out duel any champ.

Subject 59/21/2015, 10:01:46 PM2 votes

I don't remember Riot listening to the community ever since they become this "Big hotshot company that ignores 99% of the community for balance and then hypocritically caters to the larger side of the community for very specific things that are not based on balance."

"Ryze is OP, don't release him." -The beta community, the patch when Ryze was more broken than having a 5 second CDR on flash

"Ryze is terrible now, he will not be viable in any way." -The beta community, the patch after they tried to fix Ryze again

"We are tired of the skill shot, 3 hit ability and basically the same re-mashed kit that keeps coming out over and over again." -Riot releases 9 champions in a row based on what this sentence stated

"Vayne doesn't have a bad early game even compared to lane bullies like Lucian. Her win ratio in the bottom lane is higher in the early game, mid game and late game." -Riot doesn't nerf Vayne even before worlds, refuses to acknowledge this even with proof of statistics and the majority of the board stating this. Besides the people with Vayne literally in their username or people who use level 1 accounts to post on the forums. Because paranoia comes in more colors than purple.

"Riot, you said that champions shouldn't be doing X or capable of X but you just let this champion do X! What gives?" -Riot doesn't respond.

"Stop overloading champions!" -Subject 5

Dr Poro9/21/2015, 12:21:26 AM2 votes

Riot doesn't follow "the community" (you mean the forum community which is only a small part of the league community). They read the discussions and look at what we like to see changed. Then they look at their own data and decide whether or not changes are required and how they should do this. The reason why it often looks like Riot is ignoring the community until they finally give in is because it takes a while to correctly value the strength of a champion. By this time, a lot of people have seen that the champion is just too strong (but they don't know exactly how much too strong which doesn't matter for the complaining players but it does matter for Riot as they don't just have to nerf them, they have to fix them.)

Vayne has been complained about since her release. Nothing new, however, Vayne is currently at an terrifyingly high winrate for such high skillcap hypercarry. Meddler recently said that they were looking at Vayne and see if and how she needs nerfs.

Secret Butt Fun9/21/2015, 10:18:04 PM1 votes

The worst balance change they botched was when they nerfed Graves 's cigar.

Spacesuit Spiff9/21/2015, 1:09:26 PM1 votes

Exactly this. The times rioters come here to answer complaints, you can tell that their understanding of the game is 100x more dynamic and nuanced then the endless complaint threads here. They also dont follow the strange narrative this community has with nerfs/buffs, again because they understand the game much better.

This is a very good thing. Back in season 1 they gutted eve because of a vocal minority that refused to buy pink wards, nowadays they would be nerfing the shit out of anyone with outplay potential or true damage.

Ive been spamming ranked for the past week in high plat, and its left me with the impression that right now this game is doing fine. Morde was the only strong champ that never got through banning, and out of all those games i cant think of a single one where the game was skewed by one champ being overpowered. At least not nearly as much as they were skewed by outliers in skill level. While the games get decided by which random keeps trying to 1v3, id say this games balance is pretty acceptable

Laustin Space9/21/2015, 9:46:48 PM1 votes

Real talk though please change Vayne ! I've finally joined the bandwagon simply because I'm sick of seeing her in nearly EVERY game for month's now....... -_-

Steel Blossom9/21/2015, 4:49:54 AM1 votes

I just feel that NO marksmen should be mobile. I also feel that Rengar has very little punishment for falling off...I've laned against quite a few of them, bashed their faces in, and 20 mins later their KDA is suddenly positive because he is almost guaranteed kills with how fast his combo is.