Question about normal matchmaking and the algorithm?

Hedge Witch·12/17/2019, 10:42:50 AM·5 votes·8,150 views

Over the place few weeks I played league with a buddy of mine, who, god bless him, is terrible at league -- like iron 5 and has been for a year now. His friend that just started playing league joined us and played with us. Almost every game they fed non stop and had at least 30 deaths between the two of them while I tried to carry. These were all normal draft mode games.

I have stopped playing with them because it's honestly just not fun and I'm tired of trying to carry the games, but I've noticed that each time I queue for a normal now, I'm getting really really bad teammates, people that don't communicate and are feeding, cussing at each-other and afking as well.

So my question is, in regards to normal drafts, did my MMR change because I played so many games with them and lost that I'm now stuck being matched with people like them?

28 Comments

2 Weezy Baby12/17/2019, 10:51:44 AM3 votes

yeah

Hedge Witch12/17/2019, 11:09:56 AM3 votes

One thing I am noticing is that it feels like every single game I have the crappy team verse a team of one tricks. Why is this?

Inari Fox Orrion12/17/2019, 5:57:21 PM2 votes

I more suspect that due to the awful state of the balance & client, that a lot of people are playing something else.

Fewer people to match together = more imbalanced matches due to a disparity between the variety of individuals.

Subdue12/17/2019, 5:10:53 PM2 votes

Matchmaking places you in games where your MMR is similar to the average MMR of all players. So if your MMR is, for example, 1200, and everyone is solo, you can reasonably assume that everyone is somewhere between 1150 and 1250. In fact the range is probably tighter than that.

However, in normals you can queue with anyone. That means a Bronze player (MMR: 800) can queue with his Diamond friend (MMR: 2000) and they'll both get placed in a game with an average MMR of 1400 (Silver/Gold).

How much MMR you win/lose is proportional to how close you are to the average MMR of the game. So in our first situation, you'll probably gain as much MMR for a win as you'd lose for a loss. In the second situation, the Bronze player would gain more MMR for a win and lose less for a loss, while the Diamond player would win less for a win and lose more for a loss.

In your scenario, if your MMR was higher than your friend's, then you probably tanked a lot of MMR.

HOWEVER, and this a big however, with the exception obviously of premade groups with disparate MMRs, if your MMR is less than what is an accurate representation of your skill, your games should be easier not harder. Whether you're more mechanically skilled or you have a better understanding of the game and how to close out a win, you should have the advantage. If you don't feel this advantage - if it feels like you're unable to affect the outcome of games by a meaningful amount, that is an indication that you are actually correctly rated by the system.

Also, judging from your match history, ignoring the AD Soraka game, your last hitting alone is probably Iron or Bronze level. sub-100 CS in 20+ minute games is god awful. I think you significantly overestimate your own skill and have a propensity to blame your own inadequacies on your team. I'd recommend fixing that, as you can't improve if you think you're not at fault for your losses.

Pyrosan12/17/2019, 10:52:21 AM2 votes

There's no link for normals to ranked MMR so it's not directly like they're seeing who's iron and how often they're with you, normals are based on their own individual MMR, you can estimate yours by ending a normal game and looking in the top-left, it has a counter on how many w/l you've got

Let's say since you said you've lost a bit You're 100 wins 150 losses, you'll be placed with people with the same average likewise for the enemy team but keep in mind the outliers of premades, they'll junk up the system quite a bit

Kai Guy12/17/2019, 8:04:37 PM1 votes

So my question is, in regards to normal drafts, did my MMR change because I played so many games with them and lost that I'm now stuck being matched with people like them?

Yes. MMR is a balance that adds or subtracts points in relation to wins and losses.

Thresh Outta Fux12/18/2019, 5:34:16 AM1 votes

Normals do have a hidden MMR system, which will make games more or less difficult for you.

You may need to change roles. My Jungle MMR is wonky, and I'm expected to carry 99% of my jungle games by the system. About 60-70% of my top games I'm expected to carry, 60-90% of my adc games, and around 20-50% of my mid/support games.

Try some roles you dont normally play, and it may fix itself for you.