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PSA: If you play support

BuyMeSkinsPls·10/14/2015, 2:12:19 AM·11 votes·1,583 views

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SIGHTSTONE item 2049

I have a lot of complaints about Silver ranked play but this is by FAR my #1. I can't even count on both hands the number of games where I start snowballing lanes, take dragons, get a bunch of kills (or our mid gets a bunch), but we lose b/c my team decides it's a good idea to wander into the other jungle without ANY wards. Constantly. "Annie, can you PLEASE build a sightstone?" "Wahhh, I don't wanna, I need damage! Upgrade your trinket! Wahh!"

They never listen, and I don't understand - do people legitimately NOT want to win?? How hard is it to spend 800 gold to get wards so your team can see wtf is going on? I thought building item 2049 on supports was League 101 basic knowledge, apparently not

I'm gonna build SS in every jungle game from now on b/c I'm so goddamn tired of losing games due to ZERO VISION.

I can carry kids that are bad. I can't carry kids that don't want to win in the first place and haven't yet learned how to ward, much less tie their fucking shoes

/rant

29 Comments

Kiharon10/14/2015, 4:46:09 AM8 votes

By the same token, I would consider upgrading trinkets to be League 101 basic knowledge, but only 3 of your last 9 ranked games (at the time of this writing) had you upgrade your trinket. In those same games, your average wards/minute is 0.18 (on a mix of jungle and adc), making you a part of the problem you are ranting about (losing games due to zero vision).

Vision is a team responsibility. As another poster pointed out, the support can only cover so much, even with a sightstone. You may also consider buying a few pink wards throughout the game, regardless of role.

Also of note, only 2 of these games had no sightstone on your team

YossarianSensei10/14/2015, 4:08:30 AM5 votes

Everyone has a different personal opinion on 'carrying' games

I made it to diamond without buying a single ward, I barely remember to use my Trinket.

Vision honestly isn't nearly as important as everyone makes it sound, it's just one of the easiest gameplay aspects to improve on so everyone likes to pin the blame on the vision.

What's much more important is having good game sense over map pressure and objective trading. Despite what the haters may say it's perfectly fine to die all the time to ganks as long as its 'worth it'. When you see those Diamond Trynda-qeers stomping solo queue, not a single one of them buys wards.

500000000000000010/14/2015, 4:03:42 AM3 votes

I'm a support main (Soraka specifically), and I almost always rush sightstone. That said, sometimes it's better to not get sightstone as first item.

Upgraded gold income early on can be really helpful because passives become a lot stronger. If you're with a roaming support, boots+wards may be a better purchase for first back.

Also, sightstone is one thing, and upgrading your trinket is another. Always upgrade your trinket.

ZephyrDrake10/14/2015, 12:24:10 PM3 votes

i had a Sej "support" not that long ago that refused to get a sighstone because "supports don't need to ward". Not only this Sej barely warded (causing the bot lane to be ganked repeatedly by the enemy jungler) she also rushed FotM and didn't even used the active of it once and tried to solo the enemy team multiple times by herself and was constantly complaining about how we never backed her up. This wasn't even someone who was "forced" to support, she literally called the role and instalocked Sej support.

If you are not going to bother doing the bare basics a support should do then please do not call the role. Support is not an easy role and is extremely easy for you to screw your team over

Archon X10/14/2015, 2:14:13 AM2 votes

edit your post please to show item 2049 instead of item 2045

thepay310/14/2015, 2:16:25 AM2 votes

  1. the item u have images of is ruby sightstone, the item u are porobly talking about is item 2049 , you generally dont need to get ruby sightstone just sightstone

  2. i am a silver support main and i always get sightstone on first back

ValyrianBlade10/14/2015, 2:21:16 AM2 votes

I honestly don't notice this and I'm in silver.

By don't notice, I don't mean that I think my supports always have SS. I mean that I upgrade my trinket at level 9 and am placing enough wards to give us vision anyways that it doesn't matter if they don't.

Vision is a team game though. You're only allowed 3 wards + 1 pink at a time. 4 spots on the map with vision is not nearly enough. 1 needs to be at each of dragon and baron. That leaves 2 for 4 subsections of jungle and any lane bushes. You often want 3 in the same jungle subsection if you're looking to fight there... Which leads me to believe most of my supports have sightstone (or perhaps they buy it when they realize they're getting outwarded by the ADC).

Strongly support the idea of building SS on your junglers though, why not. Pros do it and it works for them. The easiest way to carry is to make the game easier for your allies rather than just getting yourself fed :P

Chilly Willies10/14/2015, 4:43:55 AM2 votes

^^ Logged in to upvote. I'm in Silver 2, climbed from B3 going for Gold and this happened to me a few times where once my support said that "I don't make as much money as you guys so I can't buy trinket either" then they were like "I don't ward other lanes" lol...

Maple Crusader10/14/2015, 9:15:42 PM2 votes

No excuses. You need a Sightstone to ward effectively. Trinkets can't be upgraded until level 9, so no, you shouldn't be relying on trinkets to be a reliable source of vision for objectives.

Red Ryu10/14/2015, 9:25:42 PM2 votes

I cringe when I see a Sona support say building AP is better than building a sightstone.

Fiveofswords10/14/2015, 6:49:39 AM1 votes

"but we lose b/c my team decides it's a good idea to wander into the other jungle without ANY wards." then sightstone wasnt the problem warding the enemy jungle would only encourage people to continue this idiotic behavior.

DarkDeamonDragon10/14/2015, 12:13:36 PM1 votes

I main support and I build one every game. What peeves me though is when my team mates are asking where the wards are and I have my maximum wards out, and then I look at the match stats and it shows that all my team mates have less than 10 wards placed in a 30 minute game.

Please please please upgrade your trinkets and help ward. Supports only have a max of 4 wards that can be on the map at a time which is not nearly enough to have sufficient vision.

Maximum Morde10/14/2015, 12:15:55 PM1 votes

PSA, I don't play support, I play duo bot. 9 times out of ten the ADC and I just aren't compatible style wise so I need to carry. That 1 time out of ten that they are super aggro like me? Sure I'll play support to that.

Other than that, upgraded trinket is almost as good as a sightstone. Two starting charges, long ward duration, cools down fast enough that I often have cap wards out anyway, and don't have to base to refill it, all for 250 g instead of 800 and a slot stolen. Use it.

lHopeBotWins10/14/2015, 4:46:12 AM1 votes

or know, just up your trinket on any role.

Carry10/14/2015, 2:58:04 PM1 votes

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I can carry kids that are bad. I can't carry kids that don't want to win in the first place and haven't yet learned how to ward, much less tie their fucking shoes

/rant

If you could carry kids that are bad you wouldn't be 800 games deep and Silver 5 0 LP with Bronze MMR.

You lost your last 7 games straight. In only one of those games did your support not have a sightstone, and your team had 4 upgraded yellow trinkets in that game. If YOU are one of those people who "wants to win" games, then you should work on your play. Going on the boards and bitching about something that really isn't the reason you're losing in the first place isn't going to help you.

ChaosReignsDown10/14/2015, 3:24:04 PM1 votes

First I'll start by saying sight is very important.

As a main support I do agree SS should be built every game. It doesn't HAVE to be your first item. You have to be able to gauge the enemy team's jg. If he is camping the hell out of you, sure SS first. It depends on the game. Me and my wife duo. We have only been playing like 5 months and messed around in ranked, we are silver 5. (we played like 500 bot games, then we went to normals..we have played around 1100 normal games). People seem to forget that you can only have 3 wards down (and 1 pink) at a time. They expire.. IF you feel like bc you are not support you NEVER have to drop a ward.. you are wrong. SS gives you 4 wards.. with a high sustain comp in bot.. I usually run out before having to back. My Adc (wife) is on top of warding when I cant, also spending 75g on a green ward will not set you so far behind you can't lane... its #worth.

P.S

Lets face it though.. in Silver wards are not what's causing you to lose.. its the Toxic afkers that get a little behind and flame/give up. :)

RedCyclone10/14/2015, 9:12:04 PM1 votes

Sorry, does not fit my playstyle I have adapted with Sona in the last year It feels like shit to buy a sightstone on her because it delays your AP you desperately need hard

Give us a damn AP sightstone and I would gladly splash out on one But for the meantime item 3361 is my main source of wards

Gare Jordans10/14/2015, 4:49:35 AM1 votes

I'm a support main. I build one every. single. game. However, I can't place more than three wards. Potentially as a team, we could place 15 wards if everyone helped share the load.

Come level 9, you could always upgrade your yellow trinket and help place wards. It's only 250 gold and will help you stay alive from stupid cheese deaths and ganks. I see more supports build sightstone than I see other roles actually upgrading or even using their trinkets. Often times the people bitching at the support to ward are the ones refusing to use or upgrade their trinket.

Little Stick Man10/14/2015, 4:51:55 AM1 votes

if you dont have vision you arent even playing support anymore