AP itemization is unfun

Sylvant·11/28/2016, 6:20:37 PM·33 votes·1,511 views

After the numerous nerfs to AP items, many of the once featured builds lost ground. Removing penetration from Abyssal made it impossible to stack flat pen and turned it into more defensive and team supportive item. Same goes to Rylai, with the low amount of stats whats left is its slow passive. Overall AP items have so low AP Rabbadon is no longer worthy. The only build thats in rise is around mana, but stacking that stat works only on a handful of champions. With the majority of items becoming super situational, cheap and low stats (protobelt, hourglass and the mentioned above) we've left with no strong items to be core for our build.

37 Comments

LordGeovanni11/29/2016, 12:16:28 AM6 votes

almost as unfun as armor itemization magic resist itemsization health itemization or ad itemization not for crit carries or assassins.

Silverjust11/28/2016, 10:35:33 PM5 votes

there should be a 100AP 10CDR Item

6Sfool11/28/2016, 11:06:28 PM2 votes

There's nothing wrong with having niche items. Do you want every ap champ to have the same 4 core items for every game? I don't think that would make it more fun. If anything, the MYMU made ap itemization a lot more fun, and the recent tweaks now balance some outliers.

I don't agree with how they're making rylai's a generally inefficient item, and how void staff and abyssal now share a similar anti-tank niche, but I think for the most part AP itemization is a lot more interesting than tank or ad itemization.

Lovelle11/29/2016, 5:10:12 AM2 votes

Tank itemization is unfun. You do no damage and late game you don't really tank very long either. At least mages can still blow shit up.

Jeanne fan club11/29/2016, 6:15:27 AM2 votes

Its gotten to the point where if you don't build either rylais or rabadons by your 2nd-3rd item you won't have more than 300 ap. By trying to make each item a niche item, Riot is ending up centralizing the build path so that these items are necessary. Hell, just a few games ago I built ludens, morrelo and zhonyas on Ahri and I didn't even pass 280 ap. Ended up losing that game due to the riven and vi having a 700 hp shield each because of colossus and their shields from abilities.

HP and shields are becoming way too op against mages, I've started to consistently see games where a mage would buy giants belt first back just because they would be able to out sustain a full mana bar of poke from the opposing laner. I usually always see this from Viktor and Syndra now.

WinTheWarOnPants11/29/2016, 3:39:11 AM2 votes

while i do agree to an extent, i really don't want AP items to turn into the absolute BS that AD items are. they have so many gimmicks and i really don't want for AP and even after the flat armor pen nerfs it still feels like AD champs that build armor pen deal true dmg. almost all the new items are either recycled mechanics or % dmg amp/reduction.

Autrah Fang11/29/2016, 8:19:33 PM1 votes

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The only build thats in rise is around mana, but stacking that stat works only on a handful of champions.

yea didn't Riot specifically say they wanted AP/Mana to be the mage stat? meanwhile the only AP/Mana item that is good on every mage is item 3165 with item 3027 and item 3003 being situational at best (AFAIK, i'm not a pro player. please correct me if i'm wrong. no flame me plis). is even a pretty slow item on mages that have longer cd's, making it "useless" by popular belief. i think Riot needs to rethink mage itemization a little bit :|

Danjeng11/29/2016, 1:59:40 AM1 votes

Unpopular opinion: I think that new AP items are more unique than ever by giving more utility (zhonya's stasis, protobelt's dash, GLP-800's active, etc.) rather than just tons of AP. Personally, I do not prefer a bunch of high stats. I think having unique item actives is more fun than stacking AP. Rylai's now has weaker stats, but is also cheaper to buy, therefore allowing more gold to be allocated to other items, which in turn are also now cheaper.

But I still do stack up on stats with RoA, Morellonomicon and Archangel's. Managed to hit 1000 AP with blue buff. Sadly, I hear they may be removing the blue's AP bonus on PBE.

JedenVojak11/29/2016, 3:14:03 AM1 votes

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Overall AP items have so low AP Rabbadons is no longer worthy.

Minor correction here as I think it's actually the opposite situation: AP items were all nerfed while Rabadon's growth was buffed to try and keep comparable AP totals across item sets overall.

Of course this does make Rabadon's mandatory, but still.

All Skillzz11/29/2016, 4:30:50 AM1 votes

i mean ive been able to reach 850-900 ap even with a muramana in my ezreal build i think lowest ive seen it is around 700ish thats without infernals/blues. could you imagine the horror we would have today with 15% ap boost from blue + 24% from infernal ontop of items having their old aps lol i mean i seen 1100 ap ezreal before the changes to ap items. i dont think you wanna see a 1600 ap ezreal ult you from his fountain.

Noblewind11/29/2016, 6:14:47 PM1 votes

Some nerfs make sense considering now in a team fight the enemy team as a whole has less MR from the Locket changes.

It would make more sense to change things like damage and scaling numbers to individual abilities rather than increase damage everywhere for all mages at the same time. Not all of them need it

Saianna11/29/2016, 6:17:24 PM1 votes

I have solution!

Build AD!

As stupid as it might sound, the more of off-meta AD mages are played, Riot will HAVE to do something about it. They could either nerf AD, buff AP or nerf mages. And we sure know Riot will 100% avoid nerfing AD.. So they either buff AP items or nerf Mages...

Chances are 1 to 99. But I believe it's worth it. Better to go with a bang, than become ~~ADCs personal slave~~ a support.