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An End to the toxic players Finally!

Aerith Lilly·4/26/2015, 1:39:52 AM·7 votes·1,895 views

Okay, So I've played this game for 3 seasons now, and the amount of toxic players never seems to decrease. Riot Says that approximately 1% of the player base is toxic. Well 1% of 27 million current active players is 270,000 people. That's a significant amount of toxic players.

The problem:

When you spend 40-60 hours working hard in a week and let your PlayStation 4 with 40 games collect dust because you have a passion for league, the last thing you want to do after you get home from work is hear people call you a bitch, a nigger, berate you, belittle you etc. That is not fun. It is especially not fun when I pump hundreds of dollars into this game every month on skins I don't need. I am a software engineer. I understand the HIGH cost of developing software.

It's painful to have to sit through a 30 - 70 minute game with people who are hell bent on making your life miserable or whom don't have proper social skills.

The Solution:

I am proposing an external tool in which players can report people for both POSITIVE and NEGATIVE behavior. Using some behind the scenes math, the system will be able to formulate how toxic a player is based on valid reports.

YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO A WEBSITE AND IN CHAMP SELECT SEE WHO IS BEING TOXIC.

At this point you can dodge the game if you choose to. This will cost you 5 minutes of playtime due to dodging, but it seems like a small price to pay to be able to avoid people who will make your gaming experience suck.

I am coming to the community to see if this is something you all would like to see implemented. I'm not asking for you to be concerned with the technical aspects, nor the dealing with false positives. As stated, My job is Software Engineering. I live in Seattle and I'm paid really well for what I do. Therefore leave the technical stuff to me. I humbly ask for as many features as you would want in this tool so that I can make it the most comprehensive way to make sure that the people you play with are people you would WANT to play with.

All in all I feel that if you cant remove toxic people from the game(Even toxic players make riot money buying things) then the next best thing is for us to just choose not to play with them until they change their behavior....

Thoughts? DISCUSS! Much love all.

56 Comments

Pisdov4/26/2015, 2:18:37 AM5 votes

I think anyone who can't handle trash talk should not be playing competitive online games. For that matter, they shouldn't be on the internet at all. This is the first game I've ever played where the company tries to ban you for the slightest bit of flaming. People need to grow a pair of balls, and just use the mute feature. There are far more important things in the game that actually do make the experience more negative that seem to go ignored.

qetzel4/26/2015, 11:21:13 AM2 votes

1% Have received escalated punishment (fortnight/perma bans). 5% have chat restrictions. I would multiply your number by 5.

I would say no to being allowed to dodge when there is a player who has been toxic on your team. It removes any chance for reform, really. There is no second chance with a system like this. I mean, who will ever play with someone they know has been toxic?

Also, if you say that toxic people are those with chat restrictions then there is ~37% chance of having a toxic player each game (assuming an even distribution). One third of games will probably be dodged. Given how stretched matchmaking is at higher ELOs I do not think that this is a good plan.

CubedJustice4/26/2015, 2:51:29 AM1 votes

When you spend 40-60 hours working hard in a week and let your PlayStation 4 with 40 games collect dust because you have a passion for league

You must abandon the console peasantry you dabble in, and fully commit to the PC master race.

Aerith Lilly4/26/2015, 3:00:42 AM1 votes

I know it probably sounds cheezy but this is what I had loosely concept-ed on the commuter bus home on Friday...

The goal is to openly see who is being supportive etc and encourage the fostering of good behavior. I like this game, and I want people to like it too; not get put off by the troll brigade. Trolls are humans too... just really upset ones.

  • levels are as follows:
  •  PENTA COOL : This is the highest regarded player in league. they constantly show awesome behavior, skill, team communication flexibility

Quadra cool : This is a strongly positive player in the lol community. Generally regarded as a nice person, they are flexible with champ picks as well as cheered you up *
triple cool : This person inst negative at all, they are very respectful to both sides, and show sportsmanship *
double Cool : went above and beyond the average player, more than likely they have in spite of having a toxic team helped keep the game positive. they cool: funny, nice person who made your game experience nice enough to honor them. *
normal: this is baseline. This is where people are when they pretty much have no feedback *
low: at this level account will remain at this level for 1 week; Generally these are the people who have had a bad day and received a number of reports *
moderate: at this level account will remain at this level for 2 weeks. Generally these are the people who have had multiple bad days in a week and or exceed the threshold of bad

  •            behavior in a single day.

high: at this level account will remain at this level for 3 months *
Toxic: At this level account will remain at this level for 6 months *
Extremely Toxic: At this level, an account will remain this way for 1 year. * * *

  •  /////////////////////////////////////////

  •  A player may put in their own summoner name. This will allow them to see the other 4 players behavior rating.

  •  It will show:

  •  Behavior rating

Date of last reported incident: *
Suggestion : IE normal and low we suggest you try to encourage them in game and give them some positive feedback to cheer them up. *
moderate we suggest being flexible about what role you play with them ask them what role they would like to play. *
high: generally we suggest minimizing your games with high toxic rated players to 2 games a day. Providing them with encouragement as well as morale is a great way to help them

  •  get back into the game. Letting them know that they are marked high in halls of justice and that you are willing to give them honor after game for positive behavior is a good idea.

*/

Krigjer4/26/2015, 4:28:51 AM1 votes

How about just bringing the Tribunal back if they're going to do all this work for an external site just to tell you someone's toxic.

The Tribunal has been 'down' so long that there are players who have no idea what it is. Ugh.

Occams Raiser4/26/2015, 8:48:33 AM1 votes

This is so close to my article I had to double check to make sure I didn't write it. In reality, Riot doesn't care. It's not that they might not want to care but they don't need to care. It is free to play so players have no real leverage to get anything done except to actively recommend not playing and also not playing yourself. You can't shit on them and consume their product. But that isn't enough because leaving doesn't effect them. You have to actively take part i attempting to shrink their player base.

If they wanted to they could say three strikes your out. They are a business. I am sure they didn't think they would ever be this big as the number one Esport. Unfortunately their popularity is not contingent on your enjoyment. If it ever was its not now. Nothing you do less than crushing so hard on bullshit troll accounts that making a new account and grinding it to level 30 is unproductive for trolls is going to do anything.

Some people have multiple (10) accounts and they don't dick around with their main. Multiply the number of troll games they have to go through to get banned by the number of accounts the average trolls probably has. That is what someone would have to do to get rid of (stem the tide of) trolls.

Riot doesn't even know how to fix it I bet.

**They could lock the client per computer. If someone trolls from that computer no one can play from that comp til the ban is lifted. **

You explain to your brother why neither of you can play cause you are an asshole. "Mom, can I download a game on your computer?"

IcyPepper4/26/2015, 8:54:58 AM1 votes

YOU WILL BE ABLE TO GO TO A WEBSITE AND IN CHAMP SELECT SEE WHO IS BEING TOXIC.

Uh... look, I hear you man, but there's a reason why we don't get messages after we report people to see if they got punished. And this, well... I think a positive score would be a good idea, but a negativity score would not be.

fractalfantasies4/26/2015, 1:06:11 PM1 votes

I am proposing an external tool in which players can report people for both POSITIVE and NEGATIVE behavior.

Idea.

Have the report system on an external website run by league so it is slightly inconvenient to file a report, however, every single report you file should be investigated by someone in Riot.

Głacıes4/26/2015, 7:27:42 PM1 votes

It would be really nice if one could do something, but people will still be people. They will still try to take out their frustrations on others if they can get away with it and they disagree with others.

I think if we could somehow set up markers for people who are toxic that a person can see off the back and then dodge a game if they don't want to deal with it, that would be cool, but then that could get abused in so many ways. It's a nice idea for sure though. If a person, for example, is incredibly toxic (e.g. they get reported 1/5 games they play or something), they could have a small icon that would indicate that, visible wherever they go, and it will only be cleared after a certain amount of time. I'm sure one would get fed up with people dodging every time they try to play

People are toxic and flamers because they think they can get away with it. Being reported and being banned from playing for one day or something won't be enough, so it would have to be something with a lasting effect on their account. It should also take into account though, that people have bad days, so a person would have to be consistently toxic to get the marker.

As mentioned though, it really could get abused. It would have to have an accurate monitor to decide if a person was reported for not doing anything bad, but that would be silly. I don't think there are ways of doing that without a human witness, and no one has the time to micro-manage everything; that would be ridiculous.

Maybe if there are some people in the community who are regular players from all elos, but they have higher authority because they have been "cleared" as people with accurate and good judgement, and their reports are considered more high quality, counting for more "toxicity points" against whoever is getting reported. I don't know though xD. Regardless of what we try, it would be impossible to completely erase toxicity, and very tricky to decrease it by a noticeable amount. It would certainly be nice though.

Meserion4/26/2015, 7:35:11 PM1 votes

I see what the poster is saying, you want a reputation system; something I've thought the internet as a whole could benefit from. basically would be a range of -100-0-100, and based on that number we can figure out how nice or how mean a player is. Of course certain reporting parameters would have to be omitted from the reputation system like "Unskilled Player" but essentially based on honor points gained and reports gained would determine a player's reputation that would be represented by a number.

To make people care about said number, maybe ranked divisions and even competitive tournaments could require a set number of reputation, with tournaments require a reputation of say 50 or higher and maybe diamond level requiring a reputation of 40, gold: 30, silver: 20 and bronze: 10, any lower and the player cannot play ranked matches.

Ipols4/26/2015, 9:36:17 PM1 votes

I like the idea a lot.. A LOT. right now here it's night and I have to sleep but maybe I can help you with

"as many features as you would want in this tool so that I can make it the most comprehensive way to make sure that the people you play with are people you would WANT to play with."

tomorrow. let me know if you need something similar to a tester, bye

Volt Cruelerz4/26/2015, 2:42:36 AM1 votes

Anything that involves people deliberately dodging is a no-go in my opinion. This also creates a prisoner's island which Riot has said they don't want to do.