Can we add this to Essence Reaver please?

ZeroQuest96·1/6/2015, 8:31:46 PM·59 votes·5,032 views

Can Essence Reaver please proc the passive with single target spells as well as basic attacks? This would allow it to fulfill the AD Caster niche item better.

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DSRM Mobius1/6/2015, 8:33:16 PM17 votes

finally we can have an item that gives mana back the way it should

Cindikle1/6/2015, 11:31:49 PM13 votes

It just needs a better build path.

Something that gives either the passive or some mana regen for laning.

If they did that it would see more play because people would start it for lane and end up finishing.

The item is actually strong. CDR, 80ad, life steal, mana return. It is not a weak item. But by the time you would build it you'd be close to finishing a muramana for 1k less.

Laughing Fish1/6/2015, 8:41:04 PM7 votes

Rito pls

Desmond Law1/7/2015, 12:11:46 AM4 votes

This is how it should be item 3508 = item 1053 + item 3134 + item 3114 + 463 gold

NorthernDruid1/7/2015, 12:54:29 AM4 votes

A build path including an item with a lesser version of it's passive (or just an AD+mana regen item) would go a long way to improving it, 'cause it's build path is kinda harsh for the amount of utility you're buying.

Imagine an item with 10-25 AD somewhere, 5-10% CDR, and 5 flat mana per AA. costs around 1300, same as Brutalizer.

Build path: item 1036 + item 1004 + either flat combine cost, or another of either.

Then you combine this item with Vamp Scepter, and maybe a pickaxe depending on this new item's total cost and AD.

Hizsoo1/8/2015, 8:02:59 PM3 votes

I would prefer this build path for an Essence Reaver kind-of item: item 3134 + item 1037 + item 1004 It needs to have AD on it There are enough good other lifesteal items, so it don't need to have on it. Armorpen, CDR are good stats for AD casters, hte intended users of this item and some extra mana regen.

The problem with the current Essence Reaver's unique passive, is that it functions lot less effectively compared to chalice and Manamune. After you unload your tiny mana pool, you don't want to rely on hitting something, enemy minions or champions to gain your mana back. You want to arrive into a team fight with your supplies or just gain it back passively, so it definitely needs a new passive, something early game oriented, which is not too abuseable for top lane champions and still useful on marksmen. It might needs to be a heirloom item, expanding it's unique passive when the owner of it reaches certain levels.

MidEvilKnight3k1/7/2015, 10:24:48 AM2 votes

Most of the AD casters I can think of don't have any single target spells, so I don't think that change would do much except for ezreal and urgot. Lucian, Corki, Graves, and Sivir don't have any single target spells. Jayce would only gain it on his knock-back which I doubt would help him much.

As most have said, the item just needs a better build path and maybe a small buff to the stats.

Sukishoo1/7/2015, 9:40:06 PM2 votes

too bad the last item they had to make the item better failed.

SpecterVonBaren1/6/2015, 9:36:36 PM2 votes

What if they got rid of the vamp scepter and replaced it with brutilizer, reduced the ad of the final item by say, 20, and added +5 armor pen to the finished item? So it would have the passive, 15 Armor pen, 10% CDR, and 60 AD or something like that, stats are subject to change.

Right now its issue is that it competes with bloodthirster and Botrk for a lifesteal slot and compared to the other two in that regard, it's less efficient so long as you manage your mana. If it instead competed with flat armor pen items then more people might pick it up at least as a third or fourth item.

Rikari1/7/2015, 12:48:25 PM1 votes

You would literally never run out of mana then,especially with on hit effects Ezreal

Epicmaster12341/7/2015, 5:00:31 PM1 votes

The only problem I see with this is the fact that if you cast a spell with a low mana cost (Ezreal's q), you would be regaining mana for using a spell, which is pretty counterintuitive. A big part of playing champs like ez and jayce in the laning phase is careful conservation of mana, and with this new proposal, it seems like mana would hardly be a problem anymore. For example, the only real mana expenditure for ezreal in lane is generally his q. While it may have a low mana cost, enemy laners can take control over this lane by dodging the shot, putting ezreal at a mana disadvantage, negating a strong portion of his power. If this change were in place, ezreal could just rush it as his first item, finishing 1000 gold ahead of anyone trying for an IE or a BT, still get strong stats, and will be able to spam his q to regain mana, which just seems overpowered to me.

Balareon1/6/2015, 9:22:08 PM1 votes

Lucian is fine, you auto after every spell anyway. I think it's more people like ezreal that would like the buff.

majulito1/7/2015, 12:58:04 AM1 votes

how about it goes back to a pickax and lower the price?

YOU BEEN WARNED1/7/2015, 5:18:53 AM1 votes

Single target spells ? Give me examples of champions that want that so I'd understand the idea better; you're throwing the idea out there but it's vague because I can't see who would use it.

Pantheon? He's normally better off with a Hydra. Jax? Botrk Trinity too good. I dunno give me examples.