Akali is OP because of her ridiculously short shroud cooldwon

Apocyliptic·8/22/2017, 1:30:11 PM·47 votes·4,538 views

I just faced an Akali in around D4 elo, and of course I was playing Mordekaiser into that matchup, my main. As the lane starts, I let her push, I start E, and my plan is to allow my kindred to gank her level 3, take the first blood with my ignite, then move on, esepcially since they had a nocturne and if I push I will immediately die. As for her, I know she is hard to gank, and I know they recently buffed her W, so I wasn't exactly sure what to expect.

In comes kindred, I bait the Akali in a fight, get her shroud, and it last for about 8 seconds, or whatever it is, then its down and kindred ganks. Akali walks back towards the bush, stalling out for as long as possible, then immedieatly shourds away. I'm like k, that's stupid, and then Kindren must have thought the same, because she proceeded to camp this akali into oblivion.

Kindred had 4 cs, ganked and did NOTHING but gank for the next 2 minutes, and while yes it was fairly predictable, all akali had to do was wait for her shroud to come back up, walk promptly near my tower, grab a cs, then immediately blink away. It made her UNKILLABLE and Kindred didn't even blow her flash until the third one, and before this I was spam pinging her back because I knew it was futile, but you get a lot of junglers in lower diamond who only got there through camping top, so she was probably too dumbfounded to do anything about it.

Point is, Akalis shroud having a cooldown of 18 seconds and lasting 8 seconds doesn't give you the time needed to punish her early game. It'd be different if she didn't have a blink on top of it, but she does, and it just grants her TOO much safety.

And you could make the argument that the lane had no hard CC, but even then, I highly doubt we would have killed her, because if I had hard CC I'd have to be playing something like Maokai which does little to no damage, and if I was playing J4 she just blinks my E Q combo. It's not even just how she is ungankable, it's incredibly hard to punish akali when her shroud lasts 8 seconds. You can't trade with her when it's up, even the hardest top lane lane bullies can't, not even mordekaiser who has two forms of AOE damage. She'll just sit in her shroud and pummel you to death, and when she is balanced by having a weak early game, that's a huge problem.

I suggest shortening Akalis shroud duration to something like 4 seconds until she puts levels into it. This will give her the option of ranking E for the wave clear and damage or W for the utility. It's a fair trade off and allows you to punish her early.

86 Comments

Thefrostyviking8/22/2017, 3:05:23 PM24 votes

I am somewhat wondering here tho, how could akali possibly escape if Kindred ganked from behind even once? If you two trapped her between you then she´d have to blow flash to get past someone and then be vulnerable after that.

It sounds like you both tried to run up front or from the side and she just poped it and got a small distance on you and then was somehow outa kindred´s range every single time.

As someone who has played all roles a fair lot that sounds fairly ridiculous to me actually, people played Akali mid because it´s harder to gank her there, getting caught out is like instant death unless you can manage to burst one of the people ganking you. Toplane Akali are usually extremely passive until 6 because of this, even more than midlane.

And yet, you claim she pushed you into tower and you and a dang kindred, a ranged champ with a slow still couldn't stop her from running back the entire distance from your tower to hers?

More than 2 times? And it took 3 times to actually get her flash?

Dude, something really, really does not add up here, her blink is so extremely short it should not matter against a proper gank if she has actually pushed you under your dang tower, it's utterly impossible.

I could have pulled of that gank playing Shyvana and she is notoriously bad at ganking.

Darkdemon6538/22/2017, 1:41:05 PM20 votes

In what world is 18 seconds ridiculously short?

Escheton8/22/2017, 2:15:35 PM20 votes

On a champion with innate sustain. She does have a lot of safety for the sheer kill potential she brings. It's just really hard to shut her down.

TeemoXNidalee8/22/2017, 3:03:23 PM10 votes

How did she stall in a bush for 10 seconds without the both of you doing anything?

Akali is SO HOT8/22/2017, 7:58:47 PM9 votes

If Akali is waiting in her shroud for 8 seconds that gives you plenty of time to position yourself so she doesn't have an optimal escape path. Her blink doesn't have a long enough range to guarantee an escape from a gank unless she is relatively close to her turret and if she was pushed up every time Kindred ganked, then the only way she could've escape is if Kindred was ganking from the front in which case it would be incredibly easy for Akali to get away. So if she was indeed pushed up to your turret and Kindred ganked properly, then the only way she could escape is if Kindred went afk during the gank.

10 seconds is a lot of time to punish a squishy melee champion with a weak early game. One of the most basic rules of League of Legends is to not fight Akali in her shroud. As Morde you should've been able to just poke her with your AoE really quick and then leave to win the trade. If you wanted to you could've even prepped your third Q before going into her shroud and then bonked her when she attacks. If you stick around in her shroud of course she is going to win.

Akali's shroud is her only reliable form of survival in fights so it needs to last longer for her to avoid damage and wait for her cooldowns. They already tried making her shroud duration scale with rank on PBE during the Assassin update and it basically put her down to release Syndra tier winrate because of how bad it was.

Asayake 5150glow8/22/2017, 6:47:44 PM8 votes

This is right, but honestly I'm far more concerned with how all of her damage is targeted or unmissable. And how her sustain is also pretty much unconditional.

Eqqualizer8/22/2017, 8:52:57 PM6 votes

Soo you are telling me that Akali is worse than current Twitch Tristana withitem 3504 item 3109 item 3190 Janna yeah akali actually has to q r basic blade and w and hope her team will help her escape or she will die while twitch with janna and any tank with vow will face tank anything

DuskDaUmbreon8/22/2017, 8:05:44 PM5 votes

The shroud is Akali's weakest point. It is not why she's OP. (And she actually isn't OP, but that's a different argument altogether...)

Skorch8/23/2017, 9:02:37 AM3 votes

Wait... if she was pre6 are you telling me she managed to stall hiding in a bush for (even if it lasts 8 seconds) 10 seconds (well like 7 if you calculate the little time to get TO the bush) She escaped you for 10 SECONDS WITHOUT ANY DEFENSES? HOW? Either that kindred doesnt know how to gank. Or that Akali is actually Faker.

On another note i actually agree with your plan on nerfing... just... that freaking story man.

Theorchero8/22/2017, 5:45:30 PM2 votes

The problem is that her fucking shroud is a goddamn blink so it's basically flash on 10 second cd with invis.

DunkinNoobs8/22/2017, 5:14:27 PM2 votes

Akalis shroud has an effective CD of 10 seconds at rank 1. Yasuo's wind wall has an effective CD of 22 seconds at rank 1. Is windwall really over twice as useful in lane as shroud? I doubt it. Fiora's riposte is 23 seconds. Is it over 2 times as useful? I doubt that as well. You have to go all the way down to Irelia to find a personal defensive ability with similar uptime. Is Irelias E better than Akalis W at rank 1? Debateably, but generally not.

PentaDenier8/23/2017, 6:14:06 AM2 votes

She has been nerfed so much already, she isn't op. It was just dumb to take pink wards out of the game. Failing that she would need reverts of her other nerfs if her shroud were to be nerfed.

Squey8/22/2017, 4:28:30 PM1 votes

ya there really is no answer right now to laning verse akali. In team fights she is alot easier to deal with because your grouped but you need to survive early game first. The problem might be how we look at it though. She is an assassin. Assassins have really good lane phases and roaming but usually fall off in team fights. That seems to fit her pretty well but we still hold on to the idea of beating her pre-6. Now her kit is just a bad design. However riot buffed her shroud for no reason at all ( it was problematic b4 the buff). You can pink ward her shroud but unless u kill her, you are wasting your gold. You can gank her but unless you have mobility to keep up with her and a point and click cc, she probobly wont die. You can push wave to tower and feed the enemy jungler. Dont push after she hits 6 though. Any damage you do to her wont stick either due to her sustain.

My silver 5 friend is a fantastic akali player. However he doesnt play ranked much. Yesterday he said he was gonna play some solo Q, so i told him to play akali. 40 min later he says that he made 2 mid laners afk in a row and won the games by 15 min surrender. Riot is reworking swain and xin but honestly i think akali needs it way more.