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how do i get out of bronze if my team wouldnt stop feeding the enemy team?

A Less Bean··2 votes·2,014 views

lately ive been tryharding to get out of bronze but its the problem is that my team is terrible in like 70% of my games? they feed the enemy, toxic ,etc.. how do i get out of bronze?

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xPhantomDancerX5 votes

Drop to iron.

A Less Bean1 votes

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Drop to iron.

I'll keep that in mind for future needs

TinkerTantrums4 votes

You got camped and died three times to the jungler, and also have a low vision score. Try buying a control ward on each back.

A Less Bean1 votes

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You got camped and died three times to the jungler, and also have a low vision score. Try buying a control ward on each back.

oh that 1 game, the game with teemo? yea i was abit tilted and forgot to place wards, thanks, if thats the one you're talking about

Beerstein1 votes

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You got camped and died three times to the jungler, and also have a low vision score. Try buying a control ward on each back.

I love that it has "you got camped, that's unlucky" as "the good". As a jungler, the second we see someone positioning to give us free kills we hit repeatedly and often. That's not unlucky, and it's not "the good" it's the horrible.

Junglers never camp hard targets/strong positioning. Especially not in Bronze/Silver where generally everyone is making mistakes. If you're getting camped it means you're making yourself easily available, much more so than your teammates.

A Less Bean1 votes

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You got camped and died three times to the jungler, and also have a low vision score. Try buying a control ward on each back.

Also i asked what to do if your team ints the enemy lol can i get an answeer for that 1 too

5050BS2 votes

Luck is all there is to get out of Bronze

ll3lackbeard1 votes

The game is not designed for people who just want to have fun playing any champion to climb out of Bronze. Plus right now you have all the season 8 Silver players who just finished promos and got placed into Bronze for “the climb” stomping noobs to get back. At best wait till June for best results.

Dr Dog1 votes

looking at your games you die WAY too much way too often, just focus on yourself and dont blame your teams, your the only constant in your games you need to work on vission and decision-making, 18 deaths in any game isnt excusable

Beerstein1 votes

As a mid laner: You have a super high gank death score and super low placement score.

Basically, as I said above, you have 0 vision outside your lane. You don't ward enough, and you make yourself an easy target. Since Junglers are also bad in bronze, you don't generally start feeding til mid game, so that's a plus, but also means a pink ward would probably last a very long time, and easily pay for itself. (they ALWAYS do, keep buying them)

Fighting breakdown you're 0.9% rating compared to other players, the bottom 1%. You win 31% of your duels, and 22% of all fights. Basically, you take a lot of losing 1on1s, in addition, you take fights when enemies are near and allies are not. This goes back to vision.

This even seeps into your teamfighting (you win 39% of your teamfights) the end result is you win 29% of all your fights as a mid laner (out of 90 fights this season)

In skirmishes (2v2, 2v3, 2v4, 2v5s) you win 27% of the these accounting for 26% of your fights, again, this is 100% information based. So you're always positioned bad/are unaware of enemy positions. In addition, this will seep into damaging your jungler, for example, if an enemy is invading your jungler and positioning himself poorly, you're unlikely to notice, or help even when a free kill is available. This potentially means the difference between a free win and a "uselss jungler".

You do average 580 damage per minute, 23% of the teams damage and 1111 damage absorbed per min. Given your champ selection (zed, Veigar, Teemo, Sylus etc.) this is actually extremely low, especially in bronze due to teemos insane shroom damage output.

Wards per minute, 4/100 relative to other players.

In addition, everything about your farming is poor. More vision, 75 gold wards will also allow you to more safely farm and go for last hits. A few minions that youll be able to more easily get will pay for a ward, and prevent the death gold. In addition, minions add up to more gold than kills fast. Stop trying to fight so much, you're not winning.

Your throw score is 98.9. This means you throw games when you're ahead....A LOT! At the same time, you do really well when you're behind...Maybe you like a challenge and try a lot harder/have better focus when behind. You need to start playing with that same caution when ahead. Don't go for kills, go for dragons, don't chase enemies, if they run, take their jungle, take their open tower. STOP chasing enemies, all your stats say you chase, and you don't stop.

Ahead or behind, focus on objectives.


The good?

You're good at securing kills deeper in enemy territory. But seriously, this isn't great when you're dying to do it. A low health enemy is an enemy that can't farm CS. Keep them low HP unless they GIVE you a free kill, you'll get more gold from CS and they'll get less, this will quickly add up to more value than a kill.

You leave lane to gank a lot and it works. Keep doing that, but it's possibly what's leading to your poor skirmish score as well, make sure you take safe paths to other lanes, and make sure you keep vision between them. More pinks, more wards. Know where the enemy jungler is before you wander through the river, a lot have the added bonus of runes that make them stronger in the river.

You do well head to head in lane, really well. But it ends there. You're so focused on that, that you're unaware of your surroundings. Take this lane dominance, and play more passive with it, find objectives, use the lead to create a vision advantage on the map. ALWAYS have a pink ward out and watch yoru flank.

As a mid laner, by pink warding one side and favoring that side, you can make it exceptionally difficult for an enemy to gank you.

As mentioned before, focus the objectives. Honestly, you already do this pretty well, maybe a bit more is needed on dragons though. Just make sure to slow down when ahead, make sure you keep going for these, take a dragon, reset. Take each win as a win, don't try to instantly capitalize on it. Don't win a teamfight then try to ace the enemy, back off, take the gold off the map, and repeat.


TL;DR

  1. Ward, ALWAYS have a pink up. Favor that side of the lane.
  2. Keep pressuring those dragons.
  3. Don't chase enemies, if they run on low health, keep csing. It'll pay for itself as well as any kill and keep you alive.
  4. When ahead, don't try to kill the enemy team, slowly pressure the map, take objectives, and most importantly, help your team get them, especially if they're behind. Your goal when ahead of everyone should be to help your team catch up, not try to run it down the enemy throats on your own. SLOW DOWN.
  5. If you have something negative to say, just don't. A lot of people WILL low key throw, and the reality is you're the same skill, we all have bad days/games/make mistakes. Just focus on getting them back in the game...Seriously if it's not positive, don't say it. Particulatly in bronze, most have ZERO issue stealth throwing a game if you piss them off, they'll just win the next game, np. Don't give them an excuse.
  6. Just as an addition, pick a lane and stick to it for now.
  7. Less poking, we get it, you are better than the enemy laner 1on1, that's a great thing to realize, but that also means you can sit there farming CS and wait for them to do something stupid because you CAN beat them. Less poking, more CSing. Ironically, not only will it be better for you gold wise just grabbing cs, it'll mean the enemy is more likely to THINK you're weaker and attack. In bronze if you chase, they run, if you back up, they chase. Get comfortable with your strengths/opponents weakenesses and wait for them to chase when you know they shouldn't, bait them into it and then kill them near YOUR tower instead of theirs.

I won't go over all your positions, you can imagine a lot is the same for top. Where you could be better at helping secure dragons as a mid laner though, you completely fail at securing the Rift Heralds as top laner. Try to be more aware of the Rift Herald. Especially if you can get it before 14 min mark 1 tower charge=300 gold, take anything on top of that and it's more. If you see an opportunity/have lane control and your jungler is near, push for the Rift Herald, and make damn sure you got vision at the enemies JG exit. Try not to do it if a new scuttle is near/just killed. The enemy is more likely to come.

Overall, good objective play, keep it up, maybe focus on it more so. Focus on controlling your aggression, particularly when ahead. Challenge yourself to always have a pink ward up, if the enemy kills it, it's worth dropping another in the same spot if it took a while for them to hit and was useful, if they hit it again quickly, try to put it in a spot that similarly protects you, but isn't the same, maybe deeper (back of enemy red is lovely, river bush is okay but doesn't last super long, both are worth, try not to drop it right next to your lane in mid, it's too close to save you a lot of the time). Every time you lose a ward (it sucks I know) consider that a death averted. You lose 5 wards? That's 365 gold. Imagine how much gold the enemy would have got killing you 5*...

A Less Bean1 votes

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Ok this is pretty long but i'll try to read all of it, also note these arent listed in orders So basically,

  1. Place more wards
  2. Get more vision (more wards)
  3. Try to not get camp, so basically more wards and dont overextend (my team usually over extends alot when grouped, any tips on how to convince them to stop?)
  4. Cs better - this is the result of me roaming, any tips on that?
  5. get more objectives like turrets, more importantly the drakes, aight sounds good, but my team usually arent in the position to do drake (for example, got pushed into turrets, dead, too far, etc,... so how do i help out my team, so roam?)
  6. more wards in the river, get more runes that help especially in the river
  7. Die less, aight ok sounds good
  8. stop chasing enemies
  9. stop throwing games
  10. dont be toxic Questions what if my team forces me to engage in a teamfight that's obviously a loss? for example: 2v3, 3v5, etc... What if my teammates ints? or all the other lane loses? what if my team over-extends and i cant convince them to back off? what if my team engages in a losing fight at a place that's too far for me to come? (for example a baron fight but i'm splitting bot lane, no tp, no mobility) i have quite abit more questions but these are the main ones
Beerstein1 votes

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Ok this is pretty long but i'll try to read all of it, also note these arent listed in orders So basically,

  1. Place more wards
  2. Get more vision (more wards)
  3. Try to not get camp, so basically more wards and dont overextend (my team usually over extends alot when grouped, any tips on how to convince them to stop?)
  4. Cs better - this is the result of me roaming, any tips on that?
  5. get more objectives like turrets, more importantly the drakes, aight sounds good, but my team usually arent in the position to do drake (for example, got pushed into turrets, dead, too far, etc,... so how do i help out my team, so roam?)
  6. more wards in the river, get more runes that help especially in the river
  7. Die less, aight ok sounds good
  8. stop chasing enemies
  9. stop throwing games
  10. dont be toxic Questions what if my team forces me to engage in a teamfight that's obviously a loss? for example: 2v3, 3v5, etc... What if my teammates ints? or all the other lane loses? what if my team over-extends and i cant convince them to back off? what if my team engages in a losing fight at a place that's too far for me to come? (for example a baron fight but i'm splitting bot lane, no tp, no mobility) i have quite abit more questions but these are the main ones
  1. If your team engages in a losing fight that you KNOW can't be won, go find an objective instead of joining. Best you can do is get some gold or something. They wont be happy but it's better than another death. It's hard to get used to, but it h elps.
  2. Some games aren't winnable at all based on losses all over the map, depends on your champ, but just focus on being a cautious player in the face of mounting odds. After getting used to playing cautious, especially when the rest of your team is behind, you'll learn when it's right to make a play. Again, at low Elo the enemy will make the mistakes.
  3. If they overextend, run to the nearest global objective that you can impact while both teams are distracted, you wont win this fight if you join them. They'll yell at you, but ping back on their screen (over their heads) only once, if they don't listen oh well.
  4. This goes with the others, don't join a fight just to dye and MAYBE trade a kill, go for a global objective, or a pick if you can.
  5. Just an addition, if you're clearing a lane, a jungle camp, etc. and see something about to go down even if it's far away, drop the camp/minions even if they're low health, you'd be surprised how often you DO get there in time to either join the fight, or clean up. It's VERY hard to get the mentality to drop a low hp camp for example, but it pays out 9/10 times. Just do it even if it doesn't feel right and see what happens after you do it several times.

Anyway, a lot of what I said can be seen here: https://app.mobalytics.gg/r/rf/DLZ2Xe

FioraWillCarry1 votes

Not to belittle all the contributions everyone is making about objectives, wards etc but getting out of Bronze is actually a lot easier than that. Consistently dying the least if at all across all your ranked games is enough by itself to get out of Bronze. You will still lose games but over time, you will actually be winning more than you lose. People who are hardstuck in Bronze are stuck because they are the reason they are losing a lot of their games. A lot of games are lost by feeding trash allies, yes but a consistent amount also is being lost by them being the feeder. You need to never ever be the reason your team loses in any of your ranked games. This can get you as far as Gold.

Beerstein1 votes

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Not to belittle all the contributions everyone is making about objectives, wards etc but getting out of Bronze is actually a lot easier than that. Consistently dying the least if at all across all your ranked games is enough by itself to get out of Bronze. You will still lose games but over time, you will actually be winning more than you lose. People who are hardstuck in Bronze are stuck because they are the reason they are losing a lot of their games. A lot of games are lost by feeding trash allies, yes but a consistent amount also is being lost by them being the feeder. You need to never ever be the reason your team loses in any of your ranked games. This can get you as far as Gold.

You're saying "don't feed" that's easy to say, need to explain how he is and how to not, that means wards and less chasing which others went over.

Plat HardstuckXD1 votes

You're in there for a reason, buddy. You can't blame your teams forever for you being there. Once you begin to work on your flaws then you can learn to carry and get out of bronze. If you don't want to then you'll be bronze forever.

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