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Champions That Don't Teach You The Role/Position They Play

Zerenza·2/1/2020, 7:22:40 AM·8 votes·8,455 views

What are some champions that you play that didn't teach you how to play the Role(IE: Assassin, Fighter, Marksmen) or Position(Jungle, Mid, Support) that you play them in?

I'll start.

Evelynn Evelynn : Despite being one of the earliest jungle champions you can buy she's significantly different from what your go to jungler's SHOULD be. What are some things you should know that she won't teach you or that you have to do differently/have the ability to do differently over other jungler's?

  1. Evelynn doesn't have to clear wards, for other jungler's, especially recently getting a Sweeper Lense is a must and clearing/keeping track of Wards is absolutely necessary. For evelynn this isn't true, 90% of the time you run right over them and even if you know they're there you won't clear them because the enemy who placed it feels safer when they have a Ward and that works to your advantage.
  2. Evelynn is really bad at ganking. Evelynn's ganks are honestly pretty bad, she doesn't have a Gapcloser in her Base Abilities so her ganks can take a lot longer due to Prep work on her and her laner's end, there's actually a pretty high chance that she's been sitting in your lane for awhile now before she decided to mark you with her Allure. Before level 6 her hope is that your dumb and shove the lane in/get really low and stay like a dingus, otherwise her ability to control the early game is basically 0 and she kind of teaches you to ignore your laner's for the first 8 minutes of the game(bad jungling)
  3. Evelynn is terrible at fighting early. Evelynn is one of the most, if not THE most vulnerable jungler's in the game Pre-6 and if your New to jungle or in a bad matchup she's not fun to play at all. Sure in really low ELO(I know i'm Bronze 1 but hear me out) even in my own ELO i get invaded pretty much 100% of the time, the reason i get away from it is because of experience in the jungle and the fact i know it's gonna happen depending on which champions i'm against. For a newer player who wants to learn the jungle this is honestly a terrible experience and she's really bad at teaching you how to avoid it, i didn't start getting good at avoiding it until a few months ago(Bronze 1 for a reason guys.)
  4. Evelynn teaches a Selfish Playstyle that you really shouldn't adopt as a jungler. When playing any Assassin jungler, especially one with the kind of Scaling that evelynn brings, you want to Steal Kills because getting fed for her is AMAZING, you tend to only gank when it's worth using your Ultimate for it because Evelynn, again, is trying to get herself fed moreso than help you but if she's capable of doing both she will, evelynn's terrible early game means that she has a tendency to Sacrifice objectives and even sacrifice lane's because she just can't do anything about what's happening until she hits 6.

Overall evelynn doesn't teach you to play the jungle, she teaches you to play her, you can be amazing at evelynn and go 24/1/16 but hop on any other jungler and you'll probably have trouble. Sure your experience in the jungle when it comes to understanding Pathing and Ganking will be intact but your ability to perform those tasks won't be because Evelynn holds your hand on some(wards) and her Kit incentives other's(Selfish Playstyle).

Edit: The jungler's that taught me how to jungle properly were Sejuanni, Warwick and Nidalee. Warwick is honestly the best learning jungler to pick in my opinion as well.

28 Comments

AlienPrimate2/1/2020, 7:26:49 AM8 votes

Singed has such a unique play style that you can only compare his play with his play. Leaning how to Singed will not teach you how to top lane. Like wise, knowing how to top lane will gain you very little on Singed.

Kenneky2/1/2020, 2:51:13 PM6 votes

Pyke comes to mind first. He is a support champion, yet his gameplay is like of an assassin mixed with engage. He gets rewarded for taking the kills and on top of that both he and the carry gets the kill gold. Does such play style teach you how to play support properly? This is one of many I can tell, from my own experience that is... Also funny enough Pyke was legit the first support I ever played, back when I was new to LoL and ever since I moved to other support champions like Morgana, Rakan, Thresh, Lulu and now the newly released Senna.

CaptainAntiHeroz2/1/2020, 8:40:04 AM5 votes

Senna

Du Ma Mi2/1/2020, 10:03:05 AM5 votes

Heimerdinger

My friend who was just learning to play started maining heimerdinger in mid, then found out he could bot lane, and then decided to take him top. Here is what he's learned:

  • roaming isn't a thing
  • consistent poke/dps isn't a thing
  • last hitting minions with autos isn't a thing
  • trading in lane isn't a thing
  • looking at the map at all isn't a thing
Ionian Vulpix2/1/2020, 11:51:17 PM4 votes

The epitome of playing an entirely different game: Singed. He doesn't play top Lane. He doesn't even play League

FSRER2/1/2020, 11:42:32 AM4 votes

Generally, with the current meta, you simply will not learn how to play any lane. For example, Zed He is supposed to be a high skill assassin but due to his visuals and playstyles, many players pick him as one of their first champions. He is a midlaner with nothing special (like Singed mentioned above) and used to teach you how to play Midlane Now however, with the current meta, all you have to do is learn to hit 2 abilities and all in the enemy midlaner and burst him down unconditionaly. Does that teach you how to play midlane? No, hell no. Does this meta teach you how to properly play? No

Ackelope2/1/2020, 1:29:23 PM4 votes

Talon is the first thing that comes to mind. His whole kit is based around clearing waves and roaming more effectively than basically every other assassin in the game, you don't really have to learn how to actually lane 1v1 against your opponent, or ward properly and think about ganks, because you can spend like half the game out of your lane since you clear so fast and move around the map so quickly. Kinda similar for Malzahar in the waveclearing sense, though he obviously doesn't really have any roaming tools.

HazeVictory2/1/2020, 10:31:37 AM4 votes

Teemo top.

Literal waste of flesh and blood.

ArfBarkBoof2/2/2020, 12:55:09 AM4 votes

AurelionSol

Saezio2/1/2020, 3:01:13 PM3 votes

I would have to say jungle Twitch and bot Heimerdinger

I think neither have anything in common with 90% of the rest of the "normal picks" in those positions.

AnythingSupports2/1/2020, 8:10:13 AM3 votes

Blitzcrank

Thefrostyviking2/1/2020, 6:40:01 PM3 votes

Supposedly Riven is the same for toplane, people who main her will rise in elo when they learn enough until they peak but if they play another champ they´ll supposedly be terrible for their then present elo at it.

This i heard Hashinshin mention in passing with a Rioteer who likes collecting various stats as the quoted source for it.

But honestly.......,are not most assassin junglers very similar to eve in this manner you describe OP? Shaco, Rengar,Nocturne and Kha6.......they all have amazing snowballing so its never really a bad option for them to just try and grab all the kills they can for it.

Wards? Rengar and Noc just ults past them, while Shaco likes to easily avoid wards just outside lane.

And none of these guys are particularly good at fighting, they just need to know their starting path then they more or less spam ganks whenever possible and dont give a shit, if it works they´ll get more EXP and gold from it than clearing camps ever yields.

Similar to lee sin, Elise and Zac come to think off it.

Assassins and similar picks are always rewarded for playing selfishly.

Kiwi Lemonade2/1/2020, 9:06:42 PM2 votes

Dropping a Yuumi here. Has all the spells and doodads for a great support, but playing her is nothing like playing another enchanter like Soraka and Lulu.

She pretty easy to play and pick up and incredibly hard to play well. New players if pick her up and sit on their adc the whole time, and then ADC dies. Rinse repeat until ff vote at 15. But the player has learned nothing about Yuumi, and has crap positioning skill at all the other supports because none of them can be untargetable.

Boomer2/2/2020, 3:41:45 AM2 votes

Vayne top into just about any melee.

Vlada Cut2/1/2020, 4:04:36 PM2 votes

Camille

She's very unique because her kit was designed for a LOT of different action depending on a given situation, all leading to same playstyle - lane dictator and hyperscaling. Not many top laners can do that

Plus even if she falls behind she becames an afk farm bot and doesnt group up until she powerspikes in levels and items, think of it as a healthier version of Yasuo

Not to mention for the way game was designed, she is definetly anime af with her hookshot (Attack on Titan refference), speaking of which, reminds me why wasn't she picked for Battle Academia skinline

RussiaKitty2/6/2020, 4:46:03 PM1 votes

Its been said shes a high jungle macro jungle champ. She teaches you tricks of jungle that you wouldn't really be able to do with others, (stealth passive plays big role). She helps teach about the importance of control wards, basically if there is a control ward, you gank with probably not happen unless the enemy doesnt even have a mini map. And you can also learn to sneak around control wards with her stealth and be sucessful at a gank. She helps teach proper ways of ganking a lane as it is easier for her post- 6 to approach a lane because of her stealth, where as champs without the luxary can really hit or miss with their approach to the lane due to vision from the enemy. Evelynn also helps with positioning and timing; you need to position and time yourself to pull of ganks or steals, if your too far away from an enemy and you cast your W and they already go under turret, you didnt position your self to set up the W proc and didnt time it in conjunction with the positioning. Other junglers have a similar method; Kah'Zix and Shaco need to use the time of their invisability properly to pull of the gank, which means they need to time of the activation and estimate the time it will take to get into the lane/ get to the target. With evelynn its a bit trickier, just a bit, because there is an indicator that shes coming and the direction (similar to pyke) which can, at times, be a hit or miss, so working around the slight disadvantages of the W cast can be in favor of the enemy at times. As for her jungle clear, its the only part of her that I can say I didnt learn properly, its very different from other junglers such as Elise, Twitch, or Sejuani. Its just a bit too easy, and the nerf to the Q CD I felt was warranted. Just a few of my thoughts from my experience with Evelynn in jungle.Evelynn

NelsieLisnen2/1/2020, 11:38:43 AM1 votes

So its more like Evelynn, Kha'zix, Rengar, as they all need to play selfish, don't have the best gank potential and rely on rogue kills. But that's the thing, the role isn't anything definitive, that's how these champions answer to the role. Any champion is slightly different than the other. You could make this case for Kayn for example. He teaches bad positioning because he doesn't have to worry much about getting caught out. It doesn't matter though, that's how you are supposed to play the champ. And imo if you main or otp Eve, learning to deward will become an eventuality, as with experience your enemies learn to pink ward you and you need to reply. You'll also have to start dewarding when you start to understand dragon priority and get tired of getting caught out because you forgot to clear the pit beforehand. So essentially, the champion itself teaches you the champion as it responds to the role.

Star PlatinumELO2/1/2020, 8:52:30 AM1 votes

Pivoting from the thread topic, to the inverse of it.

I think some of the best champs for teaching the game are the ones who can stack stats as a secondary goal in-game, Veigar, Nasus and Sion are all very simple characters that have a lot of different parts for a beginner to learn, all of which show up in a lot of characters kits. Whether it be debuffs, hard and soft CC, skillshots, basic positioning, and the importance of last hitting.

2 of my friends who recently started playing fell onto playing Veigar early because of the allure of infinite damage (and his funny voice), and the one who has started playing top more I will be showing Nasus to soon.