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Why do people refuse to surrender when the match is CLEARLY lost?

Coyote X Starrk·11/23/2015, 3:44:06 AM·37 votes·13,805 views

This asinine behavior boggles my mind and I just don't get it. If the match is CLEARLY over and you KNOW you have lost why vote no? Why waste your time, your Teammates time and the other teams time? Just vote yes and move on to the next match when you get another chance to win.

Especially when the majority of your team (3 votes for yes) want to be done and move on. If its clear they want to be done then its clear they are not in the mindset of playing well anymore. They want it to be over asap so they are more likely to just let the team steamroll them just so it can be over that much quicker.

**Before we get too deep let me be clear that this ONLY applies to votes where 3 people have already voted yes. If you are the only one wanting to FF then you are just crap outta luck and suck it up. I am talking about when the majority of the team wants to leave. **

**Also let me be perfectly clear when I say "Clearly lost" **

I am not talking the 22 - 18 games or the 30 - 22 games because those CAN be salvaged if played right and I am all for comebacks. They are badass when you pull them off.

I am talking about the 45 - 15 or 35 - 8 blowouts that occur when teams just fail on every level or just fail to work together properly to the point where the other team is beyond the point of being reasonably caught.

It just irritates me and frankly pisses me off when a match is CLEARLY over and the majority of the team wants to leave and there are 2 trolls or 2 people too "proud" to admit defeat.

BUT WE GOTS TO MAKE THEM WORK FOR IT!!!!!

No we don't and this line of logic just makes no sense. By saying "Lets make them work for it" you are essentially ADMITTING that they have won its just a matter of _how long UNTIL _ they win. Which means that you know its over you just want the match to last longer........but why would you want that?

Its still a loss. Whether its a loss right or a loss in 15 mins its still a loss and that is 15 mins that could be put towards another match.

FINISH WHAT YOU START BRUH

This excuse also makes no sense. Because the people voting yes ARE trying to finish it. They are stepping up and saying that yeah I did my best but the other team just did better so lets get this done and move on.

It comes back to the fact that a loss is a loss no matter how you get it. Its just a matter of how much time you wanna waste on that loss.

SCREW THAT NOISE I CAN CARRY US WATCH

No you can't and I'll explain why this is the dumbest of all the excuses that I hear when a surrender vote fails. Odds are that if the team is doing so bad that a surrender vote is started it means that you haven't carried so far and there is no indication that you will carry anytime soon.

You stubbornly voting no because you think you can pull a blatant loss from the brink is a waste of your time and its a waste of your teams time. Your ego and your stubbornness is also making you look like a fool by proclaiming you can come back from 30+ down.

Not to mention that this excuse inevitably ends with said "Carry" blaming the rest of his team for his inability to carry.

**TL:DR Basically all I am saying is if the match is over then let it be over. Don't let your pointless ego or pride waste other peoples time.

Have the poise and maturity to admit that the match has slipped by your team and move on to the next

Especially if over half the team wants to be done.**

92 Comments

alasarcher11/23/2015, 4:08:36 AM9 votes

Because winning is not only reason people play this game.

Narsicus11/23/2015, 11:38:21 AM9 votes

Because when one person 'clearly' sees it as a lost cause someone else may 'clearly' see that there is still a chance even though they are losing at the moment.

I tend to fall in the second category, if I had a nickel for every game won even though an ally tried to surrender I wouldn't need student loans.

Something to consider, why do you only consider your time in league valuable when you are winning? For me I don't become a better player by stomping the opposition, I become better by going against hard uphill battles and trying my best to stay competitive with the enemy team despite everything. And by doing so I play better the next time those come around. Surrendering the moment anything goes wrong is such a waste of opportunity, the opportunity to learn as well as the opportunity to win despite the odds.

And also while I feel your post is meant towards normals all of this is DOUBLY true if you are talking about ranked. Never surrender in ranked, throwing away the possibility of a win for a definite loss is such bad judgement. It is like people want to lower their ranked stats on purpose or something.

swiftsnipe11/23/2015, 9:04:19 AM7 votes

CLEARLY - is defined differently by different players.

-If you don't have my inhibitor yet there is no way i'm surrendering.

-Solo Q is not organized. People make mistakes, people throw. A lot. Give them the chance to make a mistake.

-if i have a vayne bottom lane there is no way in hell i'm surrendering before 35 min. Calm your shet, wait till we scale.

-i would say that 10-15% of my games my team tries to surrender, my team ends up winning in the end. i cllimbed a lot last season and only won 5/9 games on average. If i had surrendered those times my winrate would be below 50% and i would not have climbed.

Little Stick Man11/23/2015, 3:57:46 AM6 votes

just afk

Mortifer Arceus11/23/2015, 4:37:40 AM5 votes

Yes in Normals. No in Ranked

Violet Fields12/15/2016, 7:23:09 AM4 votes

Because in NORMALS people don't care whether they win or lose because they want to just have a good time and don't care if there are toxic people.

But in RANKED every situation can change the course of the game, besides people tend to do better when no one else on your team realizes your damage output. Many people don't want to lose LP so they'll just give it all they've got. If you FF you're 100% sure you lost. But if you don't, even if you lose, you can't blame yourself for trying.

DankHarambe8/12/2016, 8:13:47 PM4 votes

Makes me not want to play LoL again until they implement better matchmaking and forfeiting.

Subject 511/23/2015, 4:00:59 AM4 votes

Because this isn't the LC$ and comebacks happen.

ScissorsNstuff12/15/2016, 3:32:58 AM3 votes

sometimes I don't surrender because someone is a dick and I'd like to force them to see what a piece of shit they are.

I remember one game I was 0/3/3 as ashe and zed was like "everything is your fault, the support has more kills than you"

and so I changed my strategy and said "fine, ill just pad my kda like you do and pull my score up at your expense like you do to everyone else.

We were gonna win either way but I decided to do it this way. After I stopped supporting his efforts and only working to benefit myself or someone else instead of wiping his ass for him all the time I ended up something like 10/4/15 and I don't remember his score but he fed A LOT without me holding his hand

He wanted to surrender because I was throwing, but in reality we were just playing at ashe's pace instead of zed's. I just chilled and waited to profit off his screw-ups. I used him as bait and pressed no for surrender everytime he died and cried, it was fantastic. I should have made some popcorn to go with all that salt.

Athenes Lulu4/30/2016, 1:57:18 AM3 votes

To you it may seem like a waste of time, to others it can mean different things.

It can mean more chance to try to improve. It can mean more time for people trying to get a better KDA. It can even mean trying to score as many deaths as possible because they know it's a 100% lost cause. They're just trying to make "unfun" games less unfun.

Of course I don't agree with all of them, but just giving possible explanations why don't people surrender.

Cavemantero4/30/2016, 2:40:15 AM3 votes

I voted NO although even though at times I agree with surrendering. I think the problem lies with the snowballing potential of games rather than people not agreeing to surrender.

The first is because some people play this game for fun and not simply to win. Even when getting wrecked some players are actually having fun (imagine that) and might not be able to play another game afterwards as you think is the case.

The second reason why is because it is an opportunity for players to improve. When you're playing at a disadvantage you have the ability to take it up to another level. I think before season 6 this mattered much more than now due to the stupid damage and deleting going on. Also, many players are learning the nuances of their champions. Quitting before they're ready is a disservice in this case.

The third reason why is because quitting is a cancer in League and it serves to reinforce toxicity rather and is opposed to determination. I've had people call for ff @ 20....when we were WINNING! They wanted to quit because they were having a bad game but the rest of the team was having a great game. Pathetic. Don't even play this game if you do this because you will never get better.

The fourth is this game is not Call of Duty however Riot and you people who want to surrender as fast as possible are turning this game into Call of Duty. It used to be that comebacks were possible. Snowballing wasn't so crazy and damage wasn't on the level where everyone is basically an assassin if you get caught out. Due to this people can't take risks anymore if all they want to do is win and then if they aren't winning, they don't learn from their mistakes, they don't gain an understanding of why they're successful, they don't learn how to stand up against adversity and they don't learn how to win. They start feeding and become toxic because they know they can't hack it deep inside...or even worse, go afk because they don't want to learn how to play support. SOUND FAMILIAR?

I hate to say this, but since Ghost Crawlers was hired this game has taken a nose dive...especially with season 6. Season 5 had a great run with the tank meta that they quickly got rid of because of you call of duty players who want everything 25 minutes or FF. Regarding summoner's rift, this game was never was supposed to be the type of game where you would lose a few trades early on and surrender. It is supposed to be a grind out tactical and strategic MOBA that incorporates fun actions and challenges. Now, it's basically WoW arena...where everything is done in cookie cutter meta fashion and since its done that way, there's no interesting comebacks (or they are few and far between) and there's no reason for people to think they can actually get better at the game...so they quit.

Surrendering is for those times when you have a team full of quitters....because it takes 4 to get a surrender vote and sometimes surrendering is the better choice but in this game it has become abused and it leads to toxicity....THUS YOUR POST.

Alex h872112/28/2016, 6:31:23 PM3 votes

Maybe someone only has time for 1 game and they want to play it to the end. Yes there are some games where the enemy yasuo/riven/etc has 25 kills and is just killing all your teammates and you within 10 seconds, and your team has nowhere near the resources to try to fight back, I get the frustration at not FFing that type of game.

But how often is that REALLY the case? And don't exaggerate.

So many people have their team get down ~10 kills (even on nearly even objectives) and just give up, screw that, if that's the only game I've got time to play in that timeslot then I'm gonna see it through to the end regardless of how much the 2-7 guy on the team wants to ff. Comebacks do happen and that is much more satisfying to me than "FF and get into the next game which you steamroll"

Hope that makes sense to yall, and hope yall don't get too mad if you're in a game w/ me and want to FF and I vote no.

Galiö6/13/2017, 2:55:42 PM3 votes

If it's 45 15 and you guys are still in the game and can choose to surrender the enemy team is awful and you have a chance to win

i cant move wtf7/23/2017, 12:41:48 AM3 votes

Because if bronzies like you had their way they'd never get carried by good players.

ltmetal11/23/2015, 11:24:05 AM2 votes

Every player has a different "line" that they only surrender once it's crossed. Some players, that line is ridiculously short and they will want to "FF@20" because their support gave up first blood. Other players (like myself), that line is more ambiguous, having less to do with the number of kills or objectives and more to do with the player's mental state. I can still enjoy a loss and won't surrender even if I'm 99% sure that we can't come back, but if my mid starts slinging racial slurs at everyone while Anivia walling me everywhere I go, I just want to get away from them as soon as possible.

TL;DR there is a subset of players who only surrender because they are no longer having fun with the current game.

no mechanics ape4/14/2017, 12:49:08 PM2 votes

I tend to vote no because in my elo, the enemy team more often than not will throw and give us an opportunity to get back in the game or outright win depending on how severe of a throw they've made. I've won dozens of games this season where some crybaby was spamming the ff vote because we stayed patient and waited for the throw.

WolfChases12/24/2017, 8:05:42 PM2 votes

I really hate when enemy team surrender because I want to finish the game with their Nexus down because I worked for it. Also, I never press YES if my enemies are fun and polite and deserve to feel that "Victory" screan at the end. In the other hand, I always press YES when enemy team is not fun to play against, if they are unsportsmanlike and flaming eachother.

So basically, I never surrend the fun games win or lost, but I do when game is plain boring and frustrating.

Dokueki Kenshin11/29/2017, 10:46:40 PM2 votes

With the utmost respect, if this is the attitude you carry, then you shouldn’t be playing League. Or any particularly competitive game, for that matter.

I know that it sucks to fight on the back foot. It really does. Playing on a wire’s edge is stressful and aggravating. But the essay that you neglected to read is correct: not only CAN you still win with the right strategy and by being willing to adapt to the given situation while still seeking victory, but you frankly learn more when you push yourself to fight on the back foot. You have more interactions with allies and enemies, more time to try and break down an opponent’s strength and why they’re so strong right now (and no, I’m not talking just about kills), more opportunities to plan with your team to make a comeback.

But that’s only if you make yourself have the right attitude. Yes, I said make yourself. For me, I play this game to have fun, yes, but I also want to be at least decent/good at what I enjoy. And that involves changing your mindset. Stop complaining about how overpowered an enemy’s champ is. Stop flaming your teammates (not saying you do this, just generalizing) for making bad plays. Stop giving up, period. You make yourself learn to fight through it, you make yourself learn to adapt, you make yourself learn to work with people as best you can. That’s what it comes down to, and that’s why I almost never surrender.

ARAM ZooKeeper10/9/2017, 9:12:49 PM2 votes

This baffles me, especially if I'm the only player that won lane. That's when I start getting toxic... I'm not flaming if you are bad and lose your lane, but if you do so and refuse to let me find a better game in 20 minutes I get irritated.

Levu12/15/2016, 3:27:58 AM2 votes

Why do people FF when the game is clearly about to end.

ZT Xperimentor12/15/2016, 4:23:11 AM2 votes

You know what's just as bad? Not shutting up about how your team won't surrender. lol

Crossx69/1/2018, 6:45:58 PM1 votes

I 100% agree with you man .....reading this comments, they completely ignore most the things you said .....they are talking about turning the game, while you clearly said you are only talking about 35 v 8 ripperoni no way out games ....sad life man