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LL stylish has stopped playing Zed and switched to AP assassins

341123545652·1/23/2018, 10:18:45 PM·29 votes·4,682 views

Despite his whole stream viewership being built on that champion, he has switched to stuff like leblanc or ekko.

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=superbonner69

is the account he plays/streams on.

I really am curious what the gameplay boards circle jerk of ad assassin hate and ap assassin love will think about this one. Maybe a reality check?

His reasons which I have heard so far on his stream are: -league of stop watch -adcs get pumped with shields greater than 50% of their health bars and zed's dmg done to shields does not count toward his ult pop damage meaning that even if he were to burst an adc (who is shielded up) down to 50% , the ult pop would only do 10% ish or 20% ish instead of the normal big pops people are used to.

Not saying riot should buff zed. I am saying they should fix the fucking problem in their game that have been around for almost a year. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (adcs)

69 Comments

H1 H0w are Ya1/23/2018, 10:20:49 PM16 votes

Technically the problem you have is with supports and not ADCs

You want supports nerfed

Jerry SeinfeId1/24/2018, 11:43:42 AM6 votes

Zed can't Burst adc because of shields given by supports.

Adc is the Problem.

I really don't get that reasoning. Clearly the Problem is the shields. Zed can 1v1 Every adc in normal circumstances.

Iffy Jarl1/24/2018, 12:53:55 PM5 votes

Wait so ap assasins have found a way to disbale stopwatch and shields?

nm10101/24/2018, 12:35:27 AM4 votes

-adcs get pumped with shields greater than 50% of their health bars and zed's dmg done to shields does not count toward his ult pop damage meaning that even if he were to burst an adc (who is shielded up) down to 50% , the ult pop would only do 10% ish or 20% ish instead of the normal big pops people are used to.

First off this is 100% incorrect, I have tested this before and he does stack damage on shields.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvx4HHaMs7U

The test was set up simple, if the damage does stack vs shields the ult pop breaks Rakan shield. If it doesn't stack it won't break the shield, as you can see in the video it clearly does break the shield.

As for the actual answer, targon meta sucks for assassins but ap assassins don't gimp your team like an ad mid does.

Ahristocats1/23/2018, 10:28:54 PM4 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIoXTAO5e7o

he started to spam lissandra instead of zed

sad, i loved to watch his mechanics

2Charmnot2Charm1/24/2018, 12:39:33 AM3 votes

switched to AP assassins

leblanc

Joking aside Bot lane is just too powerful for assassins to be useful. Most of them ether had their damage delayed to give "counterplay" or nerfed into the ground before riot decided to buff both marksmen and support items.

aqours fanboy1/24/2018, 6:37:56 AM2 votes

AP Assassins stink too this meta.

ShaolinToilet1/24/2018, 1:49:10 AM2 votes

None of these problems affect low elo which is the boards

Bob the Toastr1/24/2018, 2:39:06 AM2 votes

I don't think that the boards especially love ap assassins, I think that they (or me anyway) have a problem with AP itemization. It just feels so bland.

Main ones: item 3151 item 3020 Basically rush these 2 on every mage item 3165 This one is just overloaded: 20% cdr, lots of ap and mana, mana restore passive, and grievous wounds all on one item item 3116 This one you should take on literally everyone with DOT or lots of repeated spell damage (ex taliyah, aurelion sol) item 3157 This one you usually take because you have a free stopwatch item 3135 This one is necessary as a 4th or 5th item for most mages

Other ones: item 3146 You take this one and autowin if you're akali or kat, pretty rarely used otherwise item 3089 This one is basically a noob trap at this point: expensive, poor build path, outshined by void staff item 3285 item 3100 Good for mobile mages if you autoattack, probably the most balanced, even though this piece of crap does more damage than both of them: item 3087 item 3115 Way too niche of an item

Long story short you don't have a lot of choices if you pick a mage. For most you just buy the top 6 items. So it's not that mages are that bad, they just have crap itemization.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1/24/2018, 4:23:57 AM1 votes

LB and Ekko both provide more utility then Zed does.

We're in a meta rn where due to Supports pumping ADC's with Shields and Heals, alongside ADC's having the ability to drain tank the moment they get a item 1053. So using an Assassin with no form of lockdown just isn't viable unless they're viable in other areas. Katarina is only decent rn because she's the most viable teamfight assassin.

Zed does enough damage to kill the targets he wants too, it's just that all of that damage is completely negated before it can proc.

Emelie Cauchemar1/24/2018, 12:46:49 AM1 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=llstylish

This is what his main looks like right now. I was in queue with him a while ago lol.

JoeMG1/24/2018, 5:39:52 PM1 votes

Zed has been my go-to mid this season and I have to say I think he and other AD assassins are in a decent spot. Assassins are supposed to dominate early- to mid-game and fall off late, and this is basically what I've experienced - getting fed early and struggling to make an impact late.

The issue is that late-game is now at 15 mins, so the window that assassins are relevant is miniscule. Couple that with the fact that ADCs hit their power spike at the 10-15 min mark, too.

Like someone else said, AP assassins are in a better place because they generally have some utility to benefit the team.

TLDR: Games are too short/snowbally for AD assassins to be relative in most cases.

DEATH TO LUX1/25/2018, 10:22:19 PM1 votes

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=llstylish

PhantomPrankster1/31/2018, 6:37:17 PM1 votes

yet i can barely play assassins because they keep getting nerfed in my elo FeelsBadMan

thin wafers4/16/2019, 9:36:01 PM1 votes

reading this post makes me want to vomit because of how stupid u are

taleofsonata4/16/2019, 9:41:56 PM1 votes

WTF are you smoking about? He doesn't plays Zed because he is bored of the same shit over and over, nobody has that kind of dedication on playing a fucking boring no skill champion over and over. He feels more rewarded by outplaying with Leblanc or Ekko because at least these 2 champions doesn't have to smash their face on the keyboard and have way way more combos than Zed.

Shiroe Okazaki4/16/2019, 9:50:51 PM1 votes

I think adc (unless your cait draven or lucian) are mostly weak early but snowball too fast due to all the gold riot has added to the game. plating. bounty. trumph. They need to lower gold gains. Maybe make items cost more. Shielding and stopping assassins Is the supports job So in that aspect their not over powered. HOWEVER a lot of supports do far too much damage because of riots power creep (which i believe everyone has said something about it by now.) Zed is still op and will one shot an adc if they don't have an enchanter. He will also one shot any mage who doesn't have like a malz r or a zhonya. But also zhonya is the go to item for everything. Stop watch should be completely removed from the game entirely and forgotten about. Zhonya as an item should change so it's not build by everyone who benefits with ap. Rabadons death cap and mage pen items should be nerfed. Also ludens echo. Aery should only give shielding Aery shouldn't be a support rune that also gives damage After shock should be nerfed for ranged champions so you don't get mages like lissandra who are litterally impossible to touch ever. Conquerer also needs to be nerfed in some ways.

Edit: when you see a post pop up in recents that was made a year ago.