Why do support items still have diminishing gold when fully completed?

terrhy·11/28/2019, 5:54:28 AM·64 votes·16,433 views

So based on my experience by the time support items are fully completed (1,000 gold quest) laning phase is either over or just about over and we begin transitioning to the midgame where occasions arise where the support may be required to clear or help push a lanes. If they begin killing too many minions however they begin getting signifigantly reduced gold per kill.

I understand why this is necessary during the laning phase, to prevent ADCs and other lanes from also abusing the support itemization in the same way jungle items are gated but why does this carry on AFTER the item is already transformed and it no longer grants it's gold passive?

41 Comments

AnythingSupports11/28/2019, 7:17:57 AM12 votes

This feels like punishment rito

blindasleep11/28/2019, 7:17:15 AM7 votes

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So based on my experience by the time support items are fully completed (1,000 gold quest) laning phase is either over or just about over and we begin transitioning to the midgame where occasions arise where the support may be required to clear or help push a lanes. If they begin killing too many minions however they begin getting signifigantly reduced gold per kill.

I understand why this is necessary during the laning phase, to prevent ADCs and other lanes from also abusing the support itemization in the same way jungle items are gated but why does this carry on AFTER the item is already transformed and it no longer grants it's gold passive?

I understand the thinking, so others can't abuse cheap stats and vision doesn't get out of control again. I do think it's a bit overkill. Especially if a game stalls out.

The Dreamwalker11/29/2019, 6:50:10 AM3 votes

I mean, if Riot wants a diminishing gold thing, then at least allow supports to get increased gold on assists at level 3 item, or for get a % of a killed minion every few seconds. Like, if their adc or something else kills a minion they get 20% of the minion's worth (they don't share the kill gold of a minion). They could also get the 20% for minions that die near them as well.

Qiyana Ixaocan11/28/2019, 8:10:38 PM3 votes

Because riot has more skin makers and champ designers than bug fixers and balance people. Didn't you know they employ ONE person on the balance team? Why do you think they cant ever fix any bugs. It doesn't generate money to fix broken shit.

Everyday Legends11/28/2019, 11:15:05 PM3 votes

Because the five roles are Top, Jungle, Middle, Bottom, and Ward Dispenser.

SammyDayspring11/29/2019, 3:37:30 AM2 votes

It is meant to stop the laners who abuse it, since these items are meant for supports only. But the reality has been that it has severely put supports behind in gold.

Garson21111/29/2019, 7:49:17 AM1 votes

So support want generate more gold "for nothing" than solo lane?Support items are much more cheper.This is one of the reson why they cant give you this gold generation. Go and compare gold cost of typical top build and support. For example Urgot : DD 3500 FM 3100 BC 3000 Thornmail 2900 tabi 1100 Spirit Visage 2800 Thats 16 400 Gold for full build Nami /Soraka/Janna : Spell thief 400 Redemption 2100 Grail 2100 Locket 2200 Ardent 2300 Ionia boots 900 Thats 10 000 Gold for full build

On normal game both buying pink wards so dont point this coz its stupid. Support items are cheper thats why you will not gather so much gold.You want more? Ok lets change cost of the items +500 for all of them. Oh boy there is nothing more fun to play vs like feed lux support one shoting you coz she generate more gold than you on solo lane...

Garson21111/29/2019, 3:36:58 PM1 votes

Support is for supporting not for one shoting tanks/bruisers/adc/mages.You guys want one shot ppls as a support?!? Vision/utility cc slows/shields heals not a burst to kill half enemy team with one combo coz support want one shoting as well.

Garson21111/29/2019, 6:27:46 PM1 votes

Thats what im talking about you guys want be second carry .I give you tip: go mid insted of mage support and stop complain you had less gold than solo mid

Smyrage11/29/2019, 8:26:49 PM1 votes

To discourage Supports from straying too far from the support itemization, which are fyi cheaper than regular items and to prevent things like Taric & Sona botlane from happening. Like the change or not, in terms of balance most supports were hit because of such strategies were allowed to exist. Now that the support gold income is low as it should have always been, they can start buffing the supports back.

It is inconvenient right now indeed. Thanks to the old support items a lot of supports were gutted, but we are in the preseason, so it is quite possible that Riot will buff them back now that they aren't abusable.

WoonStruck11/28/2019, 7:11:05 AM1 votes

It depends on how the penalty is accumulated, tbh. Has anyone tested this?

Is it 20 every 5 minutes, constantly updating, or is it under 20 at 5, 40 at 10, 60 at 15, etc?

Eppidemic11/29/2019, 10:01:45 PM1 votes

It would be nice if we could get gp10 rune stats to compensate for losing our gp10 runes from before runes reforged. I'm posting this on every "supports need more gold" thread. It would help a lot.

Garson21111/28/2019, 5:50:32 PM1 votes

I can tell you something,i played vs veigar top with that item and guess what he complete this item but in same time he has simillar farm + gold from this bloody item for poking me.Its stupid as.So he buy 400 gold and get free stats after quest.So i can tell you right now its toxic.And till they not block this i dont want this to be even more cancer.

Hazardus ducees11/29/2019, 3:27:00 AM1 votes

I just wish league went back to the old item set of vision. I miss being able to buy my wards and get 200 hp. It wasn't worth the gold, but it was way better than using my clock to provide very poor vision. Heck, trinkets and "pink wards" were barely even a thing back then.

RyzeRework11/29/2019, 3:46:27 AM1 votes

I mean honestly what do supports cs run late game? A wave is 6 minions so you can push 3 waves out. The reason it's there because funneling meta no more sona taric bullshit

TheGrot11/29/2019, 4:03:28 AM1 votes

Supports will never be required to help clear or push a lane. If you think there is ever a situation in which that is the case, then you are simply misunderstood.

Riot knows this. This is just them doing their typical, helping make bad players less bad at the game. This will change nothing for top tier support players.

SomeGuy1111/29/2019, 5:10:02 AM1 votes

As I understand it, the gold penalty is offset by and to incentivize using the tribute type effects. But once the quest is completed, you no longer have that effect. So your gold gain is hamstrung to offset nothing. Combined with the less-than-amazing stats on that item slot and I am kind of incentivized to sell the completed form of my spellthief's (or whatever) and start over (if the game lets me). Which is not what you want people to be doing, I would assume.