Ryze and Thresh OP?

So I know I'm doing the typical thing that players are ridiculed for by losing a game to a champion and then coming to the forum to cry about it, but it's been on my mind for some time, and the match I just experienced helped motivate me to make this post.

There's some champions that receive a lot of discussion when it comes to whether or not they should be nerfed or buffed, and comes to mind. Then there are champions that, even though they see overwhelming success and take part in every game, they just seem so much more overlooked by comparison, like or . Sometimes I suspect that is overlooked because he's a support, and supports are generally overlooked anyway(to my dismay - I think supports don't receive enough credit). I don't know why; he's been a dominant force in the top lane for a long time now, with his long ranged but target abilities, trapping melee characters, and an ult that puts 's spell vamp to shame(ridiculous considering that draining blood/life from his enemies is kind of the whole thematic point of .

Basically, I'm wondering if these champions are a possible concern, because they shine in the meta constantly, but they never seem to receive discussion.