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So what really is the junglers fault?

Kovah··3 votes·1,563 views

Everyone knows the jungler gets blamed every time if a lane loses, but what really IS the junglers fault?

Example game: Red team jungler camps mid, and gets red teams mid fed. Blue teams jungler camps bot lane and gets blue team bot lane fed. Is it red team junglers fault that blue team bot is fed and red team bot fed a combined 13 deaths?

I ask because im a jungle main. This preseason has been absolute CANCER for me so far. Because of the matchmaking, there are MASSIVE skill gaps in these teams, and I mean MASSIVE. EVERY game I've played this preseason there is always a lane that is so heavily outclassed that their lane opponent gets like 10+ kills before the 10 minute mark. Has this been happening to other people?

I mean what can you do when that happens? Or even better, when TWO of your lanes are feeding 5-10 kills before the 10 minute mark?

It's just a bad time to be a jungler. You should only be going jungle right now if you are ready to get yelled at, blamed, and flamed by at least one of your lanes.

18 Comments

Linna Excel2 votes

Some of this depends on the jungle champ chosen. If you pick Nidalee, Lee Sin, or Elise and you don't have several ganks in the first 10 minutes, you were doing it wrong. Now if your jungler has a champ who can sneak a dragon at the 5 minute mark and they don't despite an opportunity to do so, that's their fault.

DrCyanide2 votes

To me, the jungler is most at fault when they act like the dragon pit isn't even part of the map. As a laner, I should not have to tell you to save your smite and move to the bot side of the map and prepare to take the dragon.

If you don't try to get Dragons and don't gank, as far as I'm concerned you lost lane. Your job is to apply global pressure and secure neutral objectives, not to act like Jungle Nasus.

ForgiveColour2 votes

Every lane gets ganked by other jungler but your jungler does nothing and still getting outfarmed

Electrify691 votes

It's only your fault if you see mid or what ever lane getting camped and you do nothing if a lane is getting camped it is your job to counter jungle, counter ganking, taking objectives like dragon or Harold when the enemy is clearly focused on bot or top and it's basically free. Also i5 can SOMETIMES be your fault for not getting vision on the enemy jungler yes your layers have to ward but you as a jungler can buy control wards and place them on objectives and common jungle paths.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i thought it was supports fault?

ReshiKillim1 votes

When the jungler has the opportunity to save their teammates and doesn't go to help (EG: Seeing the enemy jungler on their way to gank), that's when a lane losing can be blamed on the jungler. Same thing with lanes as well. Outside of that, I'd say that the laners have no reason to blame the jungler.

Otherwise, things get really sketchy and tend to be either the laner(s) fault or a combination of the laner and the jungler not performing as well as they could.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

When in doubt, blame the support.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

thats what i do ... problem is 80% of the time im the support

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

"Damn it, me."

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

yep my fault... all the time... and when i hand feed an adc in lane and make them look like gods... i get zero credit

sorry my bad adc i was a human meat shield and took a death so you can get away and survive keeping your gold advantage and stay alive to cs as you flame me for feeding

FulleroDendrimer1 votes

Idk when lanes is pushed and u dont gank? Usually lane is pushed when enemy harrasses you so bad and dont gank when laners asked for gank?

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

cant expect a gank if the jungler is on the other side of the map...

sometimes just sometimes it is up to the laners to win their lane...

i mean i know thats hard concept to grasp considering how we all like to blame and take no responsibility for anything we do ...

Brain Errör 4041 votes

Nah dude. This is what really pisses me off. All others lanes on our team is pushing up to their laners tower, I'm pushed under mines due to an unfavorable match up. The jg goes "I can't really do anything with how you guys keep shoving in", yet here I am, pinging, asking for helping, holding out on my own wait for the jungler to come relieve some pressure. It rarely ever happens, then tower falls and his top/bot side jungle gets invaded and he gets smashed. Guess whose getting the blame for not helping him "ward up his jg" or "help him when the enemies are killing him in his jg"? Das rite.

If you're jungling and you aren't providing map pressure globally to any lanes, you're not doing your job. I find junglers in my Elo simply lack presence. Sometimes, all you have to do is show up, shove the laner back and make them a bit scared to even harass your laner so they can get some farm.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

i am a support main and i do jungle from time to time with the concept of trying to use map awareness and supporting my team from the jungler position ... i get more stressed as a jungler due to the spam ping help 2 mins into the game because someone cant fukin lane safely and play against a hard counter lane. i cant be everywhere at once. sometimes just sometimes... you are gonna lose a a lane it happens... regardless of jungler help... sometimes its best to give up the lane, play safe and play for mid/late game.

Kovah2 votes

If my laner is getting pushed to the halfway point or further, of course it should be ganked asap. I have a problem though with a laner/s who are feeding, then get to lane and THEY are the ones pushing. They leave themselves open to easy ganks over and over again. As a jungler its infuriating to try and help them because most of the time the window of opportunity for a gank is so small its not feasible to gank unless you just sit and wait in a bush near their lane.

grug1 votes

its the junglers fault if they do not balance out the net loss

ie you get ganked top (and die) by their jg and your jg does nothing to respond anywhere on the map thus creating a net loss in lane/objective pressure and net loss in gold.

Done251 votes

In order of importance.

  1. Keep your jungle/the river secure and free of enemy champions.
  2. Secure Buffs/Drake
  3. Take advantage of over extended enemy champions if it makes sense. (No need to gank when the enemy Darius is lv. 6 with 100% HP and your lv. 4-5 Irelia has 10% HP.)
  4. Counter jungle the enemy jungler and steal his camps.
DunkinNoobs1 votes

If the enemy top laner picks something like Cassiopeia and plays super aggressive in lane and you don't gank her, top lane losing is your fault. Ditto for champs like Jayce Teemo Quinn. Certain champs gain a massive advantage for positioning aggressively and you need to punish them if they do it too often.

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