No cost that they don't use mana, energy or even health as a cost for their abilities. Some of these Champs include Riven, Yasuo, Rumble, Tryndamere and Gnar.
Is this something you'd like to change? Are they balanced? If not, what should be done to balance them?
Fadedpf11 votesThey basically make resourceless champions and say "they have a weaker X, weaker that, can be killed if Y" But in reality they are almost always better or just as good as mana users that have to suffer high cooldowns and mana costs or go oom if they spam.
Gangtank 3 votesExactly. Resourceless Champs come into the lane with a distinct advantage, and don't have any glaring weaknesses that other resource Champions don't have.
Logically speaking, no mana/resource means that you need to either have longer CDs than usual or weaker abilities/kit. Champs like Riven, Tryn, Yas, Kat, etc. have low CDs AND strong kits to go along with their resourceless (which makes a huge difference in lane).
Joquan2 votesKatarina is squishy and relies on surviving laning phase
Mana users while relying on mana are still powerful in lane to destroy kat (See:
)
Yasuo can have a really strong lane but he's unable to kill you. When you play mages if you are unequal in skill to the yasuo, cloth 4 1 mana pot into seekers is not a bad idea.
Yasuo also isn't really strong in teamfights until he has of items. In order to be impactful the yasuo needs to be pretty proficient, while with other champs (
) you will have an easier time due to the fewer amount of thought process needed.
Riven is a very strong duelist and teamfighter as well. However she is better in quick fights instead of extended trades. Pick someone with high CC to lock her down (
) pick someone who outscales her 
) or pick someone who has a chance to fight riven in lane ( 
).
Trynd is just a split pusher. Pick and gain freelo. Pick and lock him down for days. pick and scale easy and screw over the rest of his team.
Troll for Trump2 voteslists a bunch of counters Yeah this champ is balanced because ___ and ___ legit.
Joquan2 votesIf all you see is counter-pickss and no counter play, maybe this is why you think they are OP.
Troll for Trump2 votesif you think those champs arent strong purely due to having counterplay you are wrong.
Joquan1 votesInstead of saying "No I'm wrong" how about you explain why you think that? I can just counter your "No i'm right" with "Your low elo" but that get us nowhere.
Troll for Trump1 votesInstead of just saying I think they are OP "even though I never said that" . Mundo doesnt outscale trynd. Maokai can get killed by trynd, and if trynd is caught out 1v4ing for whatever reason hell still get at least 2 people dead. The champs you are listing aren't there for "counterplay" they are listed because they counter them. Counterplay is something that can be done with anyone. An example would be buying pink wards vs Akali, Talon, Eve, and Teemo (red trinket for teemo too). Counterplay is not pick nasus vs trynd cuz he outscales him and has an AS and MS slower and is tanky. Counterplay would be like building thornmails to go against trynd's reliance on AAs. Trynd would then counterplay the thornmails pick by getting Hydras or something for sustainability.
COunterplay against Nasus would be denying farm.
Your logic would be like pick 
against because teemo is ranged, has tons of kite, and can blind to deny him cs. Your examples are like that, and you assume this is counterplay.
Counterplay for nasus is, as mentioned, generally denying him cs and free farm. It's not "pick a certain champ because parts of their kit are strong against a champ"
Here would be an example for you to build your counterplay methods on:
You are first pick ,and for whatever reason pick . Your opponent COUNTERPICKS(not counterplay, ok?) Because he knows that teemo denies farm from nasus easily, harasses nasus easily, and can't get caught by nasus due to insane kiting. He knows that playing the little devilspawn against Nasus will be freelo.
Counterplay would be what you, as the nasus player, can do to make sure that your entire team won't be screwed over by a useless starved nasus and a fed teemo.
EDIT:Doubleposted accidentally
Gangtank 3 votesSo just because Kat is squishy that means she should be resourceless? Terrible logic. There are plenty of squishies with mana costs in the game.
Joquan3 votesKatarina is revolved around resets and cleaning up, she has no reason to use mana considering shes not even strong in lane.
Not Katarina1 votesKatarina's laning phase is weaker than those of mages who use mana. The reason she can survive the laning phase is that she does not need mana and can stay in lane longer [should the mages spam their skills and run OOM], and can start boots 4 pots, cloth 5 pots, to sustain longer and/or dodge skillshots. Her Q is on an approx 9 second cooldown early game, so her being resourceless is not that exciting. :] Katarina's cleanup and reset potential revolves around teamfighting or roaming phases of the game, where mana would not necessarily play a part unless you were playing a mana consuming mage and decided not to go back to prepare ahead of time. If you successfully roam when you go OOM then you're a legend.
MAN OF INTELLECT6 votesThey aren't unbalanced; they simply shift the meta of the game towards a new meta, sort of like the mobility creep.
IF you look at DotA, if you cast two spells you're oom for the rest of laning phase.
In League, even mana champions can spam spells pretty easily with built-in mana regen abilities or low costs.
I think it's fine as it is - it makes the game a little more diverse and interesting IMO.
MohawkBird7 votesThat's a little exaggerated. Most champs that use mana can't spam to the degree you say and most mages don't have a mana regen spell.
As far as I know the only champs with mana sustain are: 
That's 7 out of the 120+ champs in the game that have built in mana sustain.
My opinion on the whole resourceless champs issue is that they pay with nothing at all. They have a clear advantage over mana users simply because not only do they get to spam abilities, but it seems that their abilities are just as if not more effective than mana users themselves.
The thing that really annoys me is that most manaless champions have extremely low if not lower than mana users cooldowns. Look at Riven for example, her abilities hover around a 4-5 cooldown late game, while being around 7-8 early, which I think is pretty damn low.
Zed's cooldowns are extremely low even early game. His shuriken is on a extremely short cooldown along with his E. The only thing that is even remotely high is his W.
Mundo can spam cleavers on less than a 4 second cooldown even early game for huge harass.
Gnar can throw his boomerang once every 5 seconds or so for ridiculous harass.
Tryndamere's cooldowns are pretty much all pretty low, especially considering what his abilities offer.
Don't even get me started on Yasuo. Lowest cooldowns in the game on a 100% resourceless champion. Ultimate on a damn near 20 second cooldown late game.
I honestly feel like Riot makes champions manaless just for the sake of being manaless. I feel they have no downside over anyone who has mana, and they don't even pay at all for having such a strength as not having mana.
junglerboy161 votesYou missed 
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Not all of them have direct mana return functions (as in Lissandra and Nunu's occasional free cast passives) but they all have something that is designed to directly increase their mana sustain as a function of a passive or active ability.
Crett4 votesI guess I wish Katarina didn't exist
Helmight4 votesI think that most of the manaless champions are balanced at the moment, especially if they have an alternate resource that they use.
Yasuo pays for his manaless-ness with a weak early game and an okay midgame. He only has conditional mobility and Wind Wall has a long cooldown, so he still has to be careful with what he does.
Rumble has heat, and while heat management is probably easier than it should be, it does gate him to a degree. Mages can cast-cast-cast in teamfights, while Rumble only gets a certain number before he overheats. Again, he has something to manage.
Tryndamere is resourceless, but also suffers in teamfights due to his inability to stick to priority targets and his general squishy nature. Built full damage, Trynd is forced to use ult early in fights, which forces him into a splitpush role - and that has counterplay.
Gnar is balanced now that his Mega form lasts a shorter amount of time. While he can be devastating in a teamfight if he hulks out at the right time, it's tricky to keep him a hair-trigger from transformation. If he does hulk out too early, his team loses the potential for a fight and has to back off, lest the enemy team engage on them while Gnar is as squishy as the carries.
Riven is obnoxious to play against, and perhaps slightly too strong. However, her stun has a low range and she generally exists as a pure damage dealer due to how the scaling on her shield works. Q's long cooldown also hurts her in fights, since it's most of her damage outside of AAs.
Manaless champions can feel frustrating to play against, since they don't have MUCH to manage in terms of ability costs, but they're far from broken.
Bastard Chief3 votesNo mana champions are so broken. Please don't listen to anyone who says otherwise because obviously some of these champions like "Yasuo" people keep defending are just defending him so he don't get nerfed as Yasuo is lots of peoples mains and pretty much in mid every single match I play literally. 1 out of 3 matches, or almost 1 out of 2 matches, there is a yasuo I end up against in mid. He just constantly harasses you, spams tornados, to be honest, his passive shield needs to be gone from game, then i'd be happy. People will come defend him tho just cause they play him.
Vladamir
is pretty OP early game cause of no mana issues, hell, he doesn't even has HP issues as by the time you get back to your lane, he is back to 100% HP, and leveled past you and now gonna ROFLstomp you.
Zed..... Just hits incredibly hard as possible, and doesn't run out of mana. His skill shot almost always lands since it's so quick.
For the above, debates are not up to argue. You're wrong. You can argue with Gnar, tryn, and garen, and kat, and the others. Kat is pretty squishy, I can take most kats, but if they just farm under the turret, again, you'll be the one returning while Kat just stays there 100% with like the lowest cooldowns in the game lollolololol
DarthSpectrum2 votesLumping resource-less champions together and labeling them as over-powered is like analyzing LeBlanc and concluding that all AP mana assassins are overpowered.
It really comes down to the individual champion. Not all resource-less champions are good. Champions such as Renekton for example falls off drastically late game because of his trade-off for having no resource cost. He needs to hit some minions and build up a fury bar in order for him to compete with most other champions late game, something he will have trouble doing before a team fight.
Champions such as Rumble or Gnar are on the strong side, but still relatively balanced. Rumble can't spam his abilities without over-heating, and his range is very short. Gnar is very squishy in mini-gnar form, and he needs to time his Rage bar carefully to use his abilities in team fights.
Yasuo is sort of an ambiguous case. He is terrible against other melee champions, but he is very effective against skill shot based champions. Against champions such as Jax or Diana, he is just a pushover. However, if he was against Ezreal for example, Yasuo can negate a lot of Ez's damage.
Then there are Riven and Katarina. Riven is undeniably OP. She has essentially no trade offs for being resource-less. Her combo (~810% AD) has more damage than most mana-based champions. Only champions with very strong early game or abilities to prevent Riven from using her combo can fight her.
Katarina is the same as Riven. Unless you have point and click CC, she can finish off a target and shunpo to the next one before you even have time to mouse over her for a skill shot.
Gangtank 1 votesRe: Gnar
Even if he's "squishy" as mini-Gnar, he's still ranged with a strong disengage and a spammable harass with his Q.
I think a good way of knowing if a resourceless champion is overpowered is pretending that tomorrow they get mana costs allotted to them and asking if that suddenly makes them underpowered.
Does giving Riven mana costs tomorrow make her underpowered? No.
Does giving Yasuo mana costs tomorrow make him underpowered? No.
Does giving Tryn mana costs tomorrow make him underpowered? No.
Does giving Kat mana costs tomorrow make him underpowered? No.
and so on.
These guys have no trade-offs for being resourceless.
Edyr4202 votesits fine on
its broken on
Durzaka2 votesI dont have any problem with no cost champions.
The only thing that slightly annoys me is that Rumble has a no cost poke he can use on cooldown. But it isnt that big a deal.
The rest I literally dont have a problem with and think are fine.
CasterGilgamesh2 votesim fine with manaless chamions but i feel that they need just slightly longer cooldowns like and 
then they would be fine
4ManVotedAgainst2 votesThey should never have even come into existence. Reason : Riot doesn't actually seem to know jack shit about actually balancing anything. You can only go so far with statistics (i.e.: book-learned knowledge), but book-smarts isn't the real-world, and Riot's balance-team clearly lacks any sense of street-smarts.
Speaking of Street-Smarts versus Book-Smarts... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-U6bSaVKs4&fmt=18
Resourceless-Champions should NOT have ANY form of spammable HARD CC !
(coughcough)
Akali is SO HOT1 votespreping for all these nerds to QQ about Yasuo
Gangtank 2 votesThe problem with Yasuo is that the simplest buff can turn him into a complete monster. Right off the bat being 100% resourceless, equipped with two strong passives AND low cooldowns and he's instantly one of the hardest champions to balance.
And I didn't even mention the kit that gives him insane damage and infinite amount of mobility.
Stellafreyja1 votesI just need to know why. Who sat down at Riot and said, "You know what? [Insert Champion] doesn't need mana."
Also, I'm surprised you didn't name Katarina or Garen on that list. There's Shyvana as well.
junglerboy161 votesTechnically, Shyvana uses fury as a resource, even though it is really just a cooldown mechanism for her ult.
bad manner kid1 votesRumble - Tanky mage with infinite safe wave clear. Not invincible but super annoying to lane against. The constant barrage of slow forks and shield+flamethrower trades makes you feel like you simply can't win the lane. Not to mention the ult from 2 screens away while the jungler helps secure the kill under tower if Rumble's too low to dive.
Katarina/Gnar - I would say these two are a mistake to be resourceless for similar reasons to Rumble. They have too much poke and wave clear and its often overbearing on their opponents because you just can't get them out of lane.
I think Kat/Gnar/Rumble should all be redesigned as mana users.
Tryndamere/Yasuo - I think resourceless isn't as annoying because they have very little to mitigate poke. Resourceless does help them farm excessively compared to someone like Talon who has to use mana to secure cs occasionally.
Riven - Needs energy or mana redesign. Way too much CC/mobility/damage to have zero resource management. "But she's squishy when her shield and mobility isn't there" isn't a sufficient excuse to why she is allowed to constantly spam useful abilities. I separated her from the prior group because she's the worst offender.
junglerboy161 votesIn a vacuum, no cost champs are perfectly balanced/balanceable, however, since there are only a few of them and the vast majority of champs use mana, it offers very clear and noticeable advantages that often make players feel like it is an unfair advantage. I bet if the game were balanced around resourceless champs initially and then they introduced a small number of mana using champs who were gated early by resource cost but then had ungodly amounts of late game scaling to compensate (which most do relative to the original resourceless champs of league before the more toxic influx we've seen recently), they would make players rage and hate on them because they were so strong. basically, I think that for the most part, resourceless champs are only seen as particularly oppressive largely because they are in the minority and their unique strengths aren't something most other kits are designed to be able to handle at this point.
FantasySniper1 votesIt's very difficult to balance a resourceless champion in a way that makes them satisfying to play.
First and foremost, there needs to a self-punishing system to ensure that they don't spam their abilities, or are at least able to spam their abilities in a way that doesn't make them toxic. So in general, a cost-less ability must have less value or more necessity that makes the CD an important limiting factor.
Most of them default to the second method, making their kit have extreme moments of power that simply don't give enough opportunity to counter them. This is why I think the current given resourceless champions are unhealthy. Especially ones like Tryndamere and Riven, who have so many other things wrong with their kit.
dramatic banana1 votesI'm fine with them, they are all snowball champs.
5D Paragon1 votesTbh I think people like Riven or Garen who have NOTHING should rely on a resource called Stamina.
Similar to Overheat, but maybe it can be like
"After casting an ability, when 12 [or whatever you want] passes, all your abilities go on cooldown for X amount of time"
That way they can have low CDs on their spells, while having a vulnerable point in time.
KVbqbFsC8e1 votesThey are bullshit.
Crowe Stalker1 votesI like not having to worry about a Mana Bar honestly, Riot's observation that being OOM when teasing URF in 2014 was boring and detracted from the fantasy of the champion was accurate but it would be incredibly difficult to balance properly as some Champions are simply obscene (see URF Sona 2k15 with like 69% Winrate)
I think they need higher cooldowns to compensate for this gift though. 's absolutely stupid with 40% CDR, can escape stupid easily with his Whirlwind even after picking a bad fight or getting caught out. I like how Riot handled Rage and Heat though, it makes it so a kit requires practice to pull off efficiently unless you want to overheat on Rumble and become useless in a fight (because Rumble does pretty much nothing if he can't ult/flamethrower) and if you don't want to go Mega immediately then you can't be hyper-aggressive in lane (though honestly I think his R should have a 'Turn on Mega Form when his passive isn't on cooldown, give the ability like a ten second cooldown if used to engage Mega Gnar to balance it out)
Zyorhist1 voteshere is the evidence that they are currently balanced an fine. They don't get pick/ban in all elo's and don't hold over 60% winrate.
people know how to play against them and make it work
Erockandroll1 votesResourceless champions are ones that can (and usually are) be balanced exclusively around their cooldowns.
I would not actually increase their cooldowns. CDR is good on them, but not that good. And balancing their cooldowns is dependent on entirely on what they want/need to do.
Yasuo and Riven are both light fighters. Using rapid fire spells and mobility to control the skirmish. And they actually need their CD to be low. But in Rivens case, she does not Really have enough synergy with her spells to actually justify 40% CDR. So we shouldn't balance her CDs like she would have 40%. All of which would target her Early game. A point in the game where she's suppose to be strong.
In contrast, Garren uses his spells mostly for defense and utility. And has less need for CDR. Though there are good items with CDR in them.
But Resourceless champs should be balanced around other means as well. For starters, With few exceptions, many Resourceless champs have poor health sustain. (especially riven) And in a way, this counter balances the fact that they basically don't have long term limiters.
Then again, champions that are made to dive you. Like riven, would not even be affected by having a resource. They would kill you before something like mana, ever become an issue.
LVL 5 PORO1 votesThey should never exist.