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Mastery level 6 & 7 are a joke.

Sypher The Poro·5/13/2016, 6:19:59 AM·144 votes·66,971 views

Title says it all. The actual skill with your champion means nothing towards unlocking these. Quote from Riot:

When we launched Champion Mastery, our goal was to recognize you for playing the champs you love, and give you feedback on how well you play them. We tackled the first part with Champion Mastery ranks (levels), and implemented the second with the grade system shown at the end of game screen. Now we’re excited to add another dimension to leveling up with the system, with a higher emphasis on demonstrating your actual mastery of your favorite champs. With new requirements in order to earn them, Mastery Levels 6 and 7 show off your skill as well as your dedication. First, demonstrate your familiarity with a champ by reaching Mastery Level 5 Champion Mastery Level 6

  • Once you’re Level 5 with a champion, earn an S- or higher in a champ mastery-enabled queue, you’ll unlock a Mastery token for that champion
  • To unlock Level 6 using Hextech Crafting, combine 2 Mastery tokens plus one of the following: 500 blue essence, OR a champ shard of the same champ, OR the champ permanent of the same champ. Champion Mastery Level 7
  • Once you're level 6, the next time you earn an S or higher in a champ mastery-enabled queue, you’ll earn a Mastery token for that specific champ
  • To unlock Level 7 using Hextech Crafting, combine 3 Mastery tokens plus one of the following: 600 blue essence, OR a champ shard of the same champ, OR the champ permanent of the same champ.

We structured the performance requirement and cost in this way in order to ensure this builds on the former system, rewarding a combination of skill and participation. As you rank up, you’ll unlock new mastery badge emotes, new loading screen border flags, and the announcement banner upgrade to indicate your higher skill. To make it easier to unlock the level once you’ve earned your Mastery tokens, we’re adding a mystery coin that yields a random champ shards that’ll be available for your choice of IP or RP. The mystery coin and Champion Mastery levels are only some of ways we’re expanding the value of shards and loot (especially for players who already own every champion), and we’ll keep looking for more. We’ll be enabling this feature for testing on PBE in the coming days, and we’re looking for your feedback. Leave us your comments and questions below, and we’ll meet you leveling up mastery of our favorite champs!"

So, I have 300K mastery points on Riven, I want her to be level 7 first. In order to do so I need:

  1. 6 other champions at level 5.
  2. Get an S- or higher on all 6 of those champions.
  3. Shards for 3 of these champions or 1500 blue essence.
  4. Use the 6 champion mastery tokens to get Riven and 2 others to level 6.
  5. Get an S- or higher on all three of the level 6 champions to get MORE tokens.
  6. Combine all 3 tokens + 600 essence or another Riven shard.

(This is all under the assumption that you can only get 1 token, and need level 6 tokens in order to make level 7. Which is sadly probably true.)

Congrats! Riven is now level 7. Too bad it has nothing to do with my actual in-game skill.

Another quote from Riot Socrates:

Champion mastery offers a few reward paths, for example loot is granted from champion mastery achievement.

Levels are a bit different. Levels 1-5 are about skill + participation, with more of the weight being on participation. Level 6+ are going to have more of a skill component, starting with this. For 6 and 7 we're sticking with the original reward scheme but other options are still on the table for future levels.

"Level 6+ are going to have more of a skill component,"

There is no skill component here, this is all about how lucky you get with crafting boxes and how many champions you already have at level 5. I guess that one guy with 2 million something Mundo points isn't getting it.

Rant over, honestly kinda pissed all my hard work into Riven means I know have to work my butt off playing 5 other champions just to reach level 7.

EDIT: There were some recent red posts on PBE that confirmed you can get multiple tokens per champion. So, my mistake in not understanding the system. I still disagree that the system is tied to the hextech system instead of the already existing mastery point, but I like the fact you need to earn an S in order to reach the next teir.

171 Comments

Supreme Senpai695/13/2016, 7:53:25 AM75 votes

I don't see the part where you can only get one token per champion. Can't you just get an S on the champion that you want to get mastery 6 on, and then do it again?

Deep Terror Nami5/13/2016, 8:31:48 AM55 votes

The rewards are meager and the requirements are worse, I agree, but I see no reason to believe you can only get 1 token per champion. I think you're jumping the gun out of an irrational fear that it might be true.

I think that your Champion Mastery points should be most of the requirement. They said way back that 6/7 would be based on your points, and that a person with several hundred would automatically earn Mastery 7 when it went live. Changing it the way they are proposing just seems like a backhanded way to get people to purchase Hextech Chests.

I'd prefer simply having X/Y amount of points and earning an S-/S grade on that champion would unlock 6/7 Mastery. Not only that, but the rewards should be a lot more than a slightly different ribbon/emote; Champion portraits are long past due, and Mastery 7 was the perfect opportunity to award them. Champion profile banners wouldn't be a bad reward either.

MegaManYYZ5/13/2016, 8:43:00 AM33 votes

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So, I have 300K mastery points on Riven, I want her to be level 7 first. In order to do so I need:

1. 6 other champions at level 5. (wrong) ~~2. Get an S- or higher on all 6 of those champions. ~~(wrong) 3. Shards for 3 of these champions or 1500 blue essence. (wrong) 4. Use the 6 champion mastery tokens to get Riven and 2 others to level 6. (wrong) ~~ 5. Get an S- or higher on all three of the level 6 champions to get MORE tokens. ~~(wrong) 6. Combine all 3 tokens + 600 essence or another Riven shard.

(This is all under the assumption that you can only get 1 token, and need level 6 tokens in order to make level 7. Which is sadly probably true.) (wrong)

you need to learn to read. it clearly says you can earn multiple tokens from the same champ, these tokens are exclusive for that champion. you'll only need 2 tokens and 500 blue essence to get to lvl 6 on Riven

DeathBurst5/13/2016, 11:35:30 AM18 votes

You didn't understand the system.

earn an S- or higher in a champ mastery-enabled queue, you’ll unlock a Mastery token for that champion

That doesn't mean you can have only 1 token per champ, that means you get a token you can use only for this champ.

So no, you don't need Riven and 5 other champs, you need to earn 2 S on Riven, get her level 6, then get 4 more S. Can you see the skill component, now?

And about getting lucky with boxes: you can buy your Blue Essence with IP, so there is no luck involved. See there:

To make it easier to unlock the level once you’ve earned your Mastery tokens, we’re adding a mystery coin that yields a random champ shards that’ll be available for your choice of IP or RP.

So you don't need luck, you just need to buy a few random champ shards and disenchant them.

cocacolalips5/13/2016, 12:42:32 PM14 votes

To be fair, the mastery system doesn't reward skill either atm, only time played.

The Queen Viper5/13/2016, 6:58:51 AM14 votes

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There is no skill component here, this is all about how lucky you get with crafting boxes and how many champions you already have at level 5. I guess that one guy with 2 million something Mundo points isn't getting it.

Did you miss the part where you can buy a mystery coin with IP or RP that yields a random champ shard that can be disenchanted?

But sure, tying Mastery to Hextech Crafting is a joke.

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honestly kinda pissed all my hard work into Riven means I know have to work my butt off playing 5 other champions just to reach level 7.

No, you don't.

The Blue Rajah5/13/2016, 4:39:21 PM5 votes

You're flat out wrong. What you have to do to get riven to level seven:

Get two S- games on riven Combine with either a riven shard, or 500 blue essence.

Get 3 S games with riven Combine with either a riven shard or 600 blue essence

You don't have to play anyone else at all. You completely misread it.

HowPlayGAEM5/13/2016, 9:14:34 AM4 votes

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TheChaoticSwede5/14/2016, 1:51:36 PM4 votes

So in other words: if you get a behavior penalty you lose access to getting Hextech stuff for free. So at that point you now have to actually spend physical money in order to get the hextech stuff and HOPE that you get LUCKY enough to get the shards and/or blue essence.

Wow, that's pretty f'ed up. Behavior should not determine the skill level or master of a champion. Nor should it be reliant on an RNG based system. In fact "Mastery and Skill" and "Luck" are almost on the complete opposite side of the spectrum of gameplay. Behavior disciplinary action shouldn't count towards it either because I've seen (and I'm sure we all have really) some pretty good toxic players. So ultimately behavior is ALMOST entirely irrelevant to the mastery of a champion.

This is completely backwards if you think about.

Minarde5/13/2016, 5:46:19 PM4 votes

Threadly reminder that Riot still has no plans to add Champ Mastery to Treeline and ARAM. Adding Mastery to Rotating Game Mode modes was considered higher priority than adding Mastery to TT/ARAM. Players can't demonstrate skill and familiarity with a champion in ranked TT, yet can do so in temporary modes available one weekend a month.

MonkeyMadness6/6/2016, 7:11:52 PM3 votes

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So, I have 300K mastery points on Riven, I want her to be level 7 first. In order to do so I need:

  1. 6 other champions at level 5.
  2. Get an S- or higher on all 6 of those champions.
  3. Shards for 3 of these champions or 1500 blue essence.
  4. Use the 6 champion mastery tokens to get Riven and 2 others to level 6.
  5. Get an S- or higher on all three of the level 6 champions to get MORE tokens.
  6. Combine all 3 tokens + 600 essence or another Riven shard.

OP, where are you getting this? I just went from rank 5 on amumu to rank 7 in a single day just by playing amumu only. He is the only champ that I have that was rank 6 when I went to 7. Did something change since this was first implemented? Because with my experience so far, this seems like a rather good system. I own all champions, so when I would previous get champ shards from hextech boxes, it was extremely disappointing. Now, not so much. Also, to get level 6 and 7 requires actual skill (you can't just rank up by playing, you actually need to perform well above average levels for your champ) and dedication in that you need to commit hextech resources too it. I think this is a decent design that is actually indicative of champion mastery than the previous 5-level system.

Cheese Pope5/13/2016, 5:05:04 PM3 votes

Let's be honest here, mastery never reflected skill in the first place, mastery shows how much time you put into the champion. Maybe if you got points based on how well you did instead of winning it would be a good system.

Electric Buyers5/15/2016, 6:51:48 PM3 votes

Mastery beyond 5 should be awarded by completing specific, challenging tasks.

imo

Veeram5/24/2016, 7:29:58 PM3 votes

The essence cost should be lower

LilxPaprika5/13/2016, 5:12:11 PM2 votes

I think level 6 and 7 mastery shouldn't be permanent. it should be a winrate with said champion or kda etc... in both ranked and normals with emphasis on rank.

maybe you can erase it (perhaps with some essence) and start from mastery 5 and try to reunlock 6 or 7. would take a minimum of 10 games and determine if your worthy of it. it would stay for a certain duration or permanently if you can consistently play well/keep it up.

Asyde5/13/2016, 4:31:55 PM2 votes

OP, I completely agree. I've been saying this to all my friends and no one seems to get it. I have 270K+ on poppy and 170K+ on Udyr.

If i want to get my level 6 mastery rating on Poppy: 1: Earn two S ratings on Poppy to earn 2 Mastery Tokens. 2: Earn enough S ratings on champions I have not yet earned S ranks with this season to get a bunch of Hextech chests. (could take a while) 3: Open those chests (RNG) for champion shards, disenchant at least 2 champion shards for 500 blue essence. 4: Buy chests/essences with RP / IP. 5: Unlock my Poppy mastery 6...

The whole concept that you have to play other champions to improve your mastery on a specific champion is ridiculous. I'm all for RIOT encouraging people to expand their champion pools, but were talking about champion specific mastery here; It needs to be some form of achievement EARNED ON THAT CHAMPION. End of Story.

Skill suggestion: Earn 10 S ratings after level 5 to upgrade to level 6. Earn 20 S ratings after level 6 to unlock level 7

Time suggestion: 100K Mastery points = level 6 (big jump from 21K level 5), 250K for level 7

ahferroin75/13/2016, 4:41:00 PM2 votes

Your analysis of how to get level seven is inaccurate. You missed the bit about 'for that specific champion'. You need to get level 5 +2 or more S- or higher games on that champ, plus a champ shard or blue essence to get level 6, then you need to get 3 or more S- or higher games on that champ pluse the shard or blue essence to get level seven.

Pafos5/20/2016, 8:33:38 PM2 votes

I have no idea how you got the idea that you need other champs to level 5. All you need to do is get level 5 on the champ you want to promote higher, get an S- rank twice and then a rank S three times. After that yes you need to spend blue essence of 500 to fuse together the two S- tokens and then the 3 S tokens (and yes I agree 500 is pretty high and should be lower).

But again YOU DO NOT NEED TO LEVEL OTHER CHAMPS FOR YOUR MASTERY.

and what is with all this shit about people complaining it doesn't require skill. The main point of this is getting the S rank. Then you need to spend the blue essence, which you should be getting a moderate amount from since you are getting about 4 boxes a month.

Mokkun5/15/2016, 6:49:13 PM2 votes

Tying it to hextech is dumb.

If it's supposed to be skill, do a combination of ranking and points.

Say... after (pulling a number out of my ass) 250k points on a champion you can only gain more points through S- or higher games. Then after you get to some further number of points it requires S or higher. Let the S or higher level be rank 6, then once you've done that to some further goal, you get rank 7.

It still relies on the extremely wonky rating system, but that's many times better than using hextech. Especially since hextech revolves around having a broad range of champions (or friends), or money, vs mastery which involves hyper specializing.

Itz Rewind Time5/13/2016, 3:57:36 PM2 votes

Its very much a skill component. I reached rank 5 Darius off of more losses than wins. I hardly ever get an S on Darius, and when I do, it's because my opponent majorly screwed up. The rank 6 and 7 mastery are GATED behind S- and S grade. S- is albeit pretty easy to obtain on a champion you know well, but an actual S usually requires you to be playing that champion with a great level of skill. And if this is the theme for these ranks, I'll be assuming that higher tiers of mastery will require S+. And from what I know, I've NEVER gotten an S+ without having a perfect game. Please consider the means towards it first.

DHMC5/20/2016, 1:59:54 AM2 votes

That's not how it works. Let's say I have level 5 mastery Shen. I need to win with an S- on Shen to get a Shen mastery token. I need to win another game with Shen with an S- to get another Shen mastery token.

The other champions are only relevant in that I need to get hextech boxes to get champion essence to pay the 500 champion essence fee. However, Riot also says they're going to implement a way to buy champion shards with IP and RP within the next couple of patches because of the RNG of hextech crafting, so you don't need to play other champions if you suck with them.

._. There's literally nothing to complain about. You can get level 7 on a champion playing only that champion. Other champions don't have relevance, except for hextech crafting which is rare and RNG, so mastery level 6 & 7 is literally about your skill with a specific champion.

Deus Imperator5/13/2016, 4:22:13 PM1 votes

is there any way to get rank 6-7 without relying on hextech essences?

SlashStriker5/13/2016, 5:12:11 PM1 votes

Am I understanding this incorrectly?

To make it easier to unlock the level once you’ve earned your Mastery tokens, we’re adding a mystery coin that yields a random champ shards that’ll be available for your choice of IP or RP.

Pay to Win? Now you have to pay to show that you are Master?

adding a mystery coin that yields a random champ shards

So basically if I am to become Master Janna Player all i need to do is to play Ashe alot? Wut....?