I need some help. I have watched read but still I suck. are my builds bad, am I trying too many champs. I dont know where to look for help so here I asm. any feedback, advice would be great
Illabethe3 votesToo many champs is a likely culprit, and the fact you brought it up means you have the general idea.
My advice: Choose a champ or two in one specific role, and just play them. It's better to have two so that you have a backup if you're banned, and try to make those 2 champs play off each other's weaknesses, so that if one is banned, the other can compensate not having them.
Learn to ward. Learn to think that Towers are more important than kills (spending 40 minutes chasing kills is not a constructive win pattern) Learn to realize early deaths are far more important to game outcomes than ANY other feature of the game, including Drakes/Barons/Towers. So don't die early! Take cautious routes, and be willing to give up some 1v1 exchanges because of the risk you might get outplayed. (I'm not saying don't fight. I'm saying learn to tactically retreat, possibly toward an ally, and turn a risky situation into a saved life, or a 1v2)
p.s. I looked over your account, and you generally have very low kills, and substantially high deaths. Many games suggest you spend more time cowering than fighting, because you don't trust your own capabilities.
You also average 4 cs/minute, vs an elo that averages even 6 cs/minute, and smurfs who average 9 cs a minute in your elo. You need to better establish your minion gold income, and not be as scared/tilted to contribute to team fights.
I'm not trying to insult, but you're at an elo where 15-20+ kill games should be common if you are a proficient player. You usually get 3-6 kills if you're lucky. You're usually not why your team lost, but you definitely aren't why they win, either.
As a support you rarely even upgrade your gold trinket. At least T2 it. T1 doesn't finish gold quests, get wards, or give good gold.... Your goal should be a 8-10 minute gold quest and a T2 upgrade as soon as you are able to.
I think gold income is your #1 issue. It makes you play less. It makes you spend more time farming. It makes you weaker in trades.
Too many champs is your #2 issue (and probably because I also believe that because you spam in sequences of ~ 7-8 games per champ, you generally don't pick counters to the other team or synergies to your team, which means you DO need more experience with more champs still.
If you can get gold incomes up, while bringing the number of champs you play down, you'll probably climb.
letsfeedtogether1 votesyou cannot really retreat toward an ally in iron 3.(most of the times) they wont move
Illabethe1 votesI'm generalizing Iron - Silver tbh. Some will.... especially if you're a jungler being chased by another jungler at 10-20% HP. A mid laner usually will bite on that, if you reach their lane, even if their opponent is still there (at which point you kill the 10-20% HP jungler, and then you tactically retreat so the mid doesn't kill you, and your mid follows you in that retreat).
I think that's something even Iron would do. I don't know. I haven't been that low.
HandSolo19691 votesToo many champs is a likely culprit, and the fact you brought it up means you have the general idea.
You're in an elo where you likely haven't even mastered beyond 1-2 champs. Yet you play like 30.
You're in an elo where you probably can't/don't look at your own team and the enemy team and think, "How will each fight play out if people use their champs to their potential?" You likely just more randomly choose champs based on preferences, and your specific lane's tradeoffs.
You're in an elo where an item meta/champ meta doesn't exist.
Some champs are anathema to winning generally in low elo without a proficient duo. For example, I would never 1 trick Yuumi in low elo, simply because her teammates will lose the game on their own, walking right into 1v2's with Yuumi attached, thinking her heals/shields will save them.
My advice: Choose a champ or two in one specific role, and just play them. It's better to have two so that you have a backup if you're banned, and try to make those 2 champs play off each other's weaknesses, so that if one is banned, the other can compensate not having them.
Learn to ward. Learn to think that Towers are more important than kills (spending 40 minutes chasing kills is not a constructive win pattern) Learn to realize early deaths are far more important to game outcomes than ANY other feature of the game, including Drakes/Barons/Towers. So don't die early! Take cautious routes, and be willing to give up some 1v1 exchanges because of the risk you might get outplayed. (I'm not saying don't fight. I'm saying learn to tactically retreat, possibly toward an ally, and turn a risky situation into a saved life, or a 1v2)
Thank you very much. much arpprciated
Saezio3 votesI will give you some tips, if you follow them, you will be in gold by the end of the season.
You want to get back to climbing when you are 100% sure you can hardcarry at least 9/10 of your games. Big win streaks are what will get you out of that place the fastest and without a risk of losing your mind. Many people play tons of games(aka "grinding") thinking that will make them climb, that couldn't be further from the truth, it's much better to play 20 games a week with a 70%+ winrate than 100 games per week with a 52% winrate.
*Edit: edited point 9 to be more clear who you should be copying
Illabethe1 votesDisagree HEAVILY on 9.
Pro builds do not always translate into what you should build at low Elo. Their item builds are designed around team play where people generally know each other, coordinate with each other, and compensate each other's weakness. That's anathema to winning at low elo, since players obviously don't do that.
Rest I can generally agree with.
Saezio1 votesDisagree HEAVILY on 9.
Pro builds do not always translate into what you should build at low Elo. Their item builds are designed around team play where people generally know each other, coordinate with each other, and compensate each other's weakness. That's anathema to winning at low elo, since players obviously don't do that.
Rest I can generally agree with.
I meant streamers/challengers etc not pro games like LCS. Let me edit that. And it is meant together with picking a carry champ(which was another point), so generally what challengers build on heca jungle for example will be amazing for soloq too.
Deep Terror Nami2 votesYeah you have a total of 44 champions used in Solo Queue this season. I recommend slimming it down to about 3 per role; if you can one trick a single champ that doesn't get picked/banned away, that's fine too. Limiting your pool to a few champs you can master will allow you to perform at your best in all situations, and let you focus on the rest of the game more comfortably rather than just what's in front of your champion.
HandSolo19691 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=gtnlVH8w,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-03T11:05:22.618+0000)
Yeah you have a total of 44 champions used in Solo Queue this season. I recommend slimming it down to about 3 per role; if you can one trick a single champ that doesn't get picked/banned away, that's fine too. Limiting your pool to a few champs you can master will allow you to perform at your best in all situations, and let you focus on the rest of the game more comfortably rather than just what's in front of your champion.
Thanks you very much > I am going to do that now. jg with ammu or shyvana maybe ww. and support with morg
letsfeedtogether1 votesno dont play shyvana you have 42% win rate on her
Ninjas Flossing1 votesdont tell him what he can and cant play, thats terrible advice.
letsfeedtogether1 votesi dont think you understand what he asked. he asked how to get out of iron. not how to have fun.
Ninjas Flossing1 votesi understand entirely what he asked for and it wasnt to get out of iron it was to get out of bronze. you straight up told him not to play a champ he wanted to play instead of giving advice for the champ he wanted to play. thats shit advice, dont do that.
letsfeedtogether1 votesthe guy is in iron and probably miss spelled. there for iron.
if you have 40% win rate on a champion and you want to climb. OONT PLAY THE CHAMPION its that easy.
Did you get demoted to Iron when putting these tips into effect?
Illabethe1 votesMy only problem with this advice is that it seems that the OP still needs to learn champ to champ interactions (specific champs) so having a large pool of champions will actually still benefit him. If he was adept in interactions, I'd wholeheartedly agree that a small champ count would be beneficial.
Deep Terror Nami2 votesI should clarify my statement then:
You can practice in Norms, vs. AI, ARAM, whatever you want; just don't do it in Ranked on a whim.
Illabethe2 votesUnfortunately, Bots/Norms don't actually teach much because they operate under different rules. Norms can teach some mechanics, but they are generally still games players do not take seriously. They also surrender at a rate that would make ranked untenable.
Any game where there is no stakes does not teach the lessons this guy needs to learn.
So unfortunately, I do think ranked is the best place to learn.
For what it's worth, again: I do agree with the sentiment that you should play 2-3 champs per role. I'm just saying..... it's more complicated than that.
Saezio1 votesUnfortunately, Bots/Norms don't actually teach much because they operate under different rules. Norms can teach some mechanics, but they are generally still games players do not take seriously. They also surrender at a rate that would make ranked untenable.
Any game where there is no stakes does not teach the lessons this guy needs to learn.
So unfortunately, I do think ranked is the best place to learn.
For what it's worth, again: I do agree with the sentiment that you should play 2-3 champs per role. I'm just saying..... it's more complicated than that.
"Practising" in ranked on the account you want to climb is the worst advice ever. It will make it tons harder to climb. Much better to practice on normals or another account. And, ofc OP will learn in normals, Op is in bronze for god's sake you think he has learnt all he could from normals but he is still in bronze? like wtf xD.
We are not talking about breaking masters here. We are talking about how to play the game AKA BASICS. If a player can win 80-90% of their normals you think there is a chance to stay in bronze? xD
Illabethe1 votesI don't recall giving advice on "the account you want to climb on."
Furthermore, he's Bronze. Not like he can get much worse in his standings.
And no. I don't think the lessons I think he needs to learn given his track record suggest he can learn in Norms.
He already generally doesn't feed..... most games have 0-6 deaths at most. He's a cautious player. But, he also doesn't often do much, and norms don't really encourage doing much. Norms encourage a surrender culture, and promote yolo play that ends up feeding trades all lane. It doesn't even really teach champ vs champ mechanics, because the person you "counter" may be 12 tiers above you in play, and stomp your butt simply by virtue of being a Diamond vs a Bronze. If you think someone can "learn" when a Diamond is pubstomping bronzies, you're delusional. The only lesson that teaches is that "such champ is broken, and I need to ban it." Even worse, it teaches that the game is imbalanced.
Look. The people in Bronze are the same skill level as he is. His account is 4 years old, and he's likely plateau'd there. It's not like paying ranked is being detrimental to others at that elo. It's better that he learn there, or in slightly more difficult games like Silver, than to play norms with people who either stomp him, or carry him.
Ninjas Flossing1 votesthere is much to learn in the mosh pit known as normals. to say otherwise is an untruth.
letsfeedtogether1 votesfirst of all. you played 44 champions in this season. and its been our for 4-5 months. if you would have stopped playing most of your negative win rate champs after the first game you lost/didnt even play new champ every day you would have 75 LESS loses right now. thats insane. look at your op.gg look at your win rates and see what champions work for you and what champions do not work.
Janna, Darius, Brand, Master yi in all of these champions you played more then 1-3 games and have 60%_ win rate. from what i see here you should main jungle and second role support.
play Amumu, Master yi, Warwick and Nocturne in the jungle because it looks like you enjoy them and have a good win rate.
support play janna, brand and soraka (67% but only in 3 games)
start learning about positioning, predict when and where the enemy jungler is invade him when you can (not a lot in iron because even if your mid laner has the lane dominance they wont follow to help)
learn when to CS and when to gank learn WHERE to cs learn WHERE to be in the map.when baron is up be top side when drake is up be bot side (drake is always good because even if you dont need it taking it from the enemy ream is good)
warding is important
objectives are above kills
learn to spot your win condition and what side of the map you should play at as a jungler
mute the toxic player the second he says anything toxic
P.S : DO NOT PLAY YUUMI IN IRON YOU CANNOT TRUST YOUR ADC POSITIONING
HandSolo19691 votesfirst of all. you played 44 champions in this season. and its been our for 4-5 months. if you would have stopped playing most of your negative win rate champs after the first game you lost/didnt even play new champ every day you would have 75 LESS loses right now. thats insane. look at your op.gg look at your win rates and see what champions work for you and what champions do not work.
Janna, Darius, Brand, Master yi in all of these champions you played more then 1-3 games and have 60%_ win rate. from what i see here you should main jungle and second role support.
play Amumu, Master yi, Warwick and Nocturne in the jungle because it looks like you enjoy them and have a good win rate.
support play janna, brand and soraka (67% but only in 3 games)
start learning about positioning, predict when and where the enemy jungler is invade him when you can (not a lot in iron because even if your mid laner has the lane dominance they wont follow to help)
learn when to CS and when to gank learn WHERE to cs learn WHERE to be in the map.when baron is up be top side when drake is up be bot side (drake is always good because even if you dont need it taking it from the enemy ream is good)
warding is important
objectives are above kills
learn to spot your win condition and what side of the map you should play at as a jungler
mute the toxic player the second he says anything toxic
P.S : DO NOT PLAY YUUMI IN IRON YOU CANNOT TRUST YOUR ADC POSITIONING
Awesome thanks . I am stopping all the champs and focusing for sure now on jg and support. prolly ammu and either morg or barnd
Darkdemon6531 votesRecord yourself playing and show us the video (preferably one that isn't a stomp but you still do a bit poorly).
HandSolo19691 votesRecord yourself playing and show us the video (preferably one that isn't a stomp but you still do a bit poorly).
Ohhh cool I will do that now I will post a video and hopefully not get killed.
Dynikus1 votesHaving not seen you play and just looking at your match history on op.gg, I'll say this:
Stop taking heal unless you're an adc. Having multiple heals on your team isn't really advantageous compared to the strength you'd get from a different summoner spell.
Work on csing. I see you jungle a lot, but when laning, your cs isn't very good. Go into practice mode and practice last hitting. Google "how to practice csing", there's a pretty widely accepted method that's lengthier than I feel like typing out.
Narrow your champion pool. As other and you yourself even said, you play too many champions, sometimes in roles they really aren't strong in.
Until you're confident in being able to adapt your builds to a given situation, go to places like u.gg or probuilds, copy the runes, builds, summoner spells, etc they list there. Alternatively, download the blitz app, it gives you a lot of information in real time that's pretty useful.
Ward more, and buy control wards. If you ever look on places like probuilds, you'll see high elo players generally spend extra gold they have after every back on control wards and health pots. Get into that habit.
It's hard to comment on gameplay without seeing you play, but avoid risky plays, and prioritize objectives and farm over kills, and die as little as possible.
Wave control. It's a bit more advanced, but learn the basic aspects of controlling a wave. Bouncing, freezing, etc.
Starcraft243ver1 votesAs other said you are playing way too many champions. Pick 2 lanes and 3-4 champions maximum. Do not pick 4 champions with very different mecanics.
I'd advice : Mid + top or mid + jungler or top + jungler or adc + support as your 2 main roles.
Then pick 1 principal, 1 secondary champion for your 2 main roles, if your principal is available, you always take your principal, you can pick whatever you want as your principal champion, but your secondary should not be a champion hard to play : (so do not pick azir, ryze ... )
Write down this list of 2 lanes and 4 champion so you do not switch randomly.
Now for every of these champions in these roles, you will have a pre-set runepage, you will build from this website :
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/runes/veigar
_ (pick the one on the top of the screen, if the winrate is around 50%, if this runepage is enough for plat+ players to get to 50% winrate, it's enough for you to climb, once you know very well your champions and matchups you can make your custom pages matchup dependant) _
For every of these champions you will learn the skill order:
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/skills-orders/veigar
Again, take skill order at the top.
And then you learn the builds :
https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/items/veigar
Do not mix builds. Do not buy 2 time the same final item (like in your jax game with 2 deathcap, unique passive do not stacks) Write these builds down or better, put them on items sets in the client.
Do all of this and come back in 20 games and answer my post. Then i'll analyze your next mistakes. Getting better is just eliminating your mistakes one at a time and never doing these mistakes again.
Meteora7071 votesare my builds bad
yes
am I trying too many champs
and yes
this is what you do, pick your favorite champion, go to probuilds.net, look up the build and runes for it, copy it, if its a jungler look up a highelo one trick of that champion, copy his jungle pathing, congratulations you're at least gold now.
Xurreal1 votesYou have the desire to improve. Expand on this desire and seek the self-help you need externally to get what you want internally. Read and watch guides, theory craft. Practice.
Asud1 votesBuddy i can see your struggle, and i actually think that you dont need to shrink your champ pool. It would benefit you no doubt but its hard for the players who dont naturally devote to one or two champs to start onetricking all of a sudden.
Insted i could show you a couple of thing you can do with champs that you play to improve massively.
First thing you have to step up your farming. Its a huge issue in your games. I'm looking at your op.gg and i can see that you average from 2.5 to 3 cs per minute. Standard for perfect CS per minute is 10. If you miss 7 minions on average per minute and they are worth say 20 gold each you are missing 140 gold every minute because of poor farming. Thats almost 300 per 2 minutes which is equivalent of a kill. So right now you miss a kill worth of gold in minions every 2 minutes. Scale it up to 10 minutes into the game which is about time you probably should get your first item. You have now missed 5 kills in minion gold. Thats almost 1500 gold. When you are 1500 gold ahead of someone most likely he doesnt stand a chance fighting you. Now you dont need to instantly start making perfect CS but u gotta step it up to at least 6/7 per minute which will make enough difference. Teemo can easily destroy games in lowest elo, just by placing a couple of shrooms in the enemy jungle. I could give you more detail on which spots are the best. I can also see that you play a lot of Amumu and youre doing quite good in terms of winrate, but yet again your farming is kinda terrible. And amumu has such a great clear speed, which means that you should have way higher cs scores. Especially because in the jungle you cannot miss your last hits the way you can in lane. So this brings us to the topic of pathing in the jungle which is most important thing for every jungler. Pathing is the route you take through the jungle to maximize your efficiency. There are many Guides on youtube but i can try to simplify it a bit. Buffs like "red" and "blue" spawn every 5 minutes. You even have timers on them when you press TAB but the other jungle camps spawn every 2:30 which is twice as fast. Some camps give more gold and experience than the others. Like Crugs ( the rock camp) What you want to do is try to remember when you killed them and be there as soon as 2:30 passes as they will respawn. If you can do that for one or two camps more you are guaranteed to get ahead in experience and gold compared to your enemy.
Ninjas Flossing1 votesthe single biggest thing to do is just play a few specific champions in ranked. you want to play other weird stuff go to norms. you have 300 wins but you spread that across your entire champ pool. play 100 games each on 3 champions and you should start seeing what is better for you and whats not.
