Auto-filled Players playing roles they're bad at isn't a new problem.

ModAcademy Kayn·11/30/2019, 8:02:05 PM·12 votes·2,092 views

Remember the times before Prefered Roles, when Positions were determined by whoever called out their lane spot first in pre-game chat? Where if your client was just a tad slow, you were always stuck with the last role unclaimed? Auto-filled players are exactly the same thing as the poor sap stuck with their worst role.

Now, granted, back then it was a bit more likely to learn all the roles and lanes because of this, but not everyone is going to. Just the same as today as it was in the past, plenty of people don't like Jungle or Support, and don't bother to learn it. Even those who do learn it still may not be the best at it compared to their main role.

So auto-filled players have always existed in some shape or form. People who refuse to learn every role, or have but are simply better at some than others, have simply transferred from being the poor saps to choose/call last in Champion Select, to the occasional random sap who gets a different role maybe once every 10-15 games. In exchange, people get their prefered roles far more often. The biggest problem with auto-fill, from my opinion, is that people who get a role they're not best at just simply accept it.

They don't talk into chat saying they've been autofilled and would be better in a different position, which i think was something that was far more common back before prefered roles. I've seen plenty of folk, myself included, who are more than willing to swap lanes or roles, yet some autofilled just go silently into the game. If you're not playing your best role, just ask! Coordination with teammates will help everyone to have a better game.

19 Comments

xelaker11/30/2019, 10:29:58 PM4 votes

Why on earth people do act like you should be able to play at your level in all roles? Why on earth isn't there just an option to deal with queue times to guarantee your role? Why on earth do we bother complaining when Riot could literally not give a shit about the player-base beyond being whales?

also, massive surprise here the riot mod squad rolling in with, "oh and game's totally ok and you guys are just being silly"

The thigh guy11/30/2019, 8:23:48 PM3 votes

It’s more of an issue now. Especially with jungle being in it’s current state.

One fuck up. And I mean. ONE fuck in jungle and it’s over. And you don’t even know you fucked up until the Wild Lee sin kicks you in the jaw at your own red buff.

DaBaiXiong11/30/2019, 8:38:53 PM3 votes

If you're playing pvp without knowing at least 1 champ in every role then you aren't ready for PVP and that should be a requirement. Like how level 30 used to be.

Level up a champ from each role to 3 or 4 or something.

Beerstein11/30/2019, 11:47:01 PM2 votes

Autofill wouldn't be an issue if Riot knew how to balance the game in a way that prevented players from fleeing their main positions due to it being such a horrible position/experience.

Death by Glamour11/30/2019, 11:33:19 PM1 votes

Remember the times before Prefered Roles, when Positions were determined by whoever called out their lane spot first in pre-game chat?

You did that in NA ranked? Lane priority was given to people who get to pick first in EuW.

Kai Guy12/1/2019, 12:08:22 AM1 votes

@ autofill drama. I cfind it to be pretty stupid, there is a set # of humans playing the game. The game can only build as many matches as its lowest population role if you don't balance out the populations in each role. The folks who will not do the basic math to realize the impact what not being able to make games would to que times and game quality? They don't generate much sympathy from me.

Honestly thou I have a high bias as a player who lived thru the MID OR I FEED DAYS! in season 1 and 2. One reason I Think positional MM impacted S9 so much is the impact it would have on the all or nothing OTP style players who dead weight in off roles or off champions. Yes, I know positional Ques got removed the two are not the same. https://nexus.leagueoflegends.com/en-us/2019/03/dev-state-of-ranked/ I was wrong about it at first but have found 0 information Positional MM has been removed in any dev post or red comments.

I think that "swap" feature needs to be reworked. Make it Pick order over champions and you no longer see issues with players not owning each others picks. Accomplishes the same end goal of redistributing when a champion is picked with no impact from randomized player pools.

Dead weight players should warn teammates or dodge if they don't get what they can play competently. For them to come whine about something that's solvable by learning more roles or making the effort to enable fill protection is like some one demanding Bans get removed because it screws them over every time some one bans Yasuo .

Thiadel12/1/2019, 12:51:56 AM1 votes

That's all well and good, but it's disappointing to be autofilled into jungle for example. I'd love to learn it, but it's been such an important part of winning that the jungler is automatically flamed if the game goes negative and now, with the jungle changes, it's more difficult than ever to learn pathing, gank times, farm times, etc.

I'd much rather not be filled into jungle because of that. I can at least stall top lane, and the other lanes I'm decent at.

OneMustFall12/1/2019, 9:27:53 AM1 votes

I don't see why autofill has to be a thing for lower elos where there are plenty of players for every role. All it does is artificially decrease queue times or it decreases the quality of matches. How many dodges happen just because someone is autofilled? I know when I'm autofilled Support or Bot, I'm out. I don't play that role in Solo queue and haven't in a long time. I'm not suddenly going to start playing Bot lane just because I'm autofilled. I've spent twenty minutes in champ select with 4 different lobbies because people kept dodging. It could have been one 5 minute queue where everyone got to play what they wanted. Riot needs to stop forcing players to play something they don't want to play or aren't skilled to play. It just leads to unnecessary frustration both in champ select and in game.

Just. Stop. It.

NaughtyWord11/30/2019, 8:19:29 PM1 votes

For me it isn't about the jungle role per se, it is the champions.

If you go watch interview of people who climb to master+ you'll hear a common thread: they stick to the same champion and they play that champion ad nauseam. They'll rewatch their replays to see what they missed during the game to improve their play, and so on.

The problem is the champions I play either aren't very good junglers or straight up cannot do it Ashe Morgana Veigar Sivir Kayle

So when I do have to jungle I'm already on bad footing because I have to pick a champion I'm not comfortable with. Learning a champion takes practice, it takes time, lots of it, and experience. I haven't even got into the subtleties of jungling, I'm still stuck on the champion.

I would be more open to jungling if the champions I know how to play were able to jungle, but since they aren't I'm turned off by the concept of jungling and by extension; autofill.

With that champion pool I can play any other lane; top, mid, support, bottom, but I cannot play jungle.

I do ask when I get autofilled jungle and it is almost always responded with "well do your best" only to be subsequently flamed in the game. It isn't right and it isn't fair. It is a shitty system. I'm fine with autofill in norms, who cares if you perform poorly there, but in ranked these things matter far more. I'd even be fine with autofill if you could specify ONE lane you didn't want to be filled, but that isn't an option.

Arammus12/1/2019, 9:34:19 PM1 votes

while i dont say its a fix, but the easiest solution that would help a TON OF PLAYERS would be to give you the option to pick one role that you NEVER EVER NO MATTER WHAT get placed in.

2Charmnot2Charm11/30/2019, 8:39:17 PM1 votes

Remember the times before Prefered Roles, when Positions were determined by whoever called out their lane spot first in pre-game chat?

Never had that happened outside of blinds, but maybe it’s cause I joined in season 3. Because the universal rule everyone was obeying too is that the higher you are in pick order, then the higher priority you get your role.

Didn’t matter if last pick calls it first if any of the four players before him wants that role.

Linna Excel11/30/2019, 8:44:32 PM1 votes

Ah yes, the good old times when people debated pick order vs call order.

Darkdemon65311/30/2019, 10:33:59 PM1 votes

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Remember the times before Prefered Roles

Except back then, the people who were forced into playing jungler or support played those roles at a much higher rate than they do now because they were forced to do so more often than they get autofilled