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Do we really need new champs with full mobility, like seriously, look at 15 last champs

Destrucxiong·5/19/2018, 3:48:15 PM·20 votes·7,391 views

Can u stop releasing champ with CC, DASHES, AOE STUNS, OR SOME KIND OF UNTARGETABLE ULTS? GOD.

ALL new champ are crazy, almost all of them are UNTARGETABLE in some way, all of them have insane mobility, a lot of CC, a lot of dmg, dude u are putting champ with no mobility in a really bad spot:

And those are a few champs I don't see in my games, like 99.5% I DIDNT play against or with a mordekaiser, in literally all this season.

Do really the playerbase need more KIND OF champs like this? God damit, just look at some of their abilities, "gains movement speed" "Goes FASTER" UNTARGETABLE, UNTARGETABLE and UNTARGETABLE. STUN STUN ROOT, ROOT DASH.

I mean, just release some normal champ.. one mini Dash, ir a little bit of MS to help, just look at pyke his w... Just look his Dash, Also STUNS, Look his ULTS, It tps him instantly like 5 times un a fight, not talking About his q that can slow, or pull like a tresh. ALL OF HIS ABILITIES, HAVE. SOME. KIND. OF. CC. THIS IS UNHEALTHY FOR THE GAME, WHATS GOING TO BE NEXT, A CHAMP WITH 4 STUNS AND 4 DASHES, EACH ONE PER ABILITY?

What do you guys think? I can't pay off meta champs ike amumu in jungle, i get flamed because my team think i'm useless.

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FilDaFunk5/19/2018, 6:02:19 PM8 votes

"Look at the last 15 champs"

mentions old champs first

Lists 9 of the last few champs

MorganFreemanBot5/19/2018, 9:37:03 PM7 votes

Uhm. There are some problems with this list.

Taliyah has heavily announced and contextually visible mobility on her ulti. Her passive lets her move a bit faster near walls when outside of combat. She's roughly equal to TF with regards to mobility; able to influence the map, but not actively mobile in a fight.

Zoe is even less mobile than Taliyah; she has a contextual and short duration speed boost. That's literally it. Her R is not mobility because it always returns her to the same place, no questions asked, unless she dies before then. Her R is a spell range boost, think Zed's shadows if he does not / cannot switch to them. Shit, it's like a ranged boost with gigantic drawbacks built into it; you can't hurt Zed's shadows, you can CC and / or murder Zoey if she uses her R to get too close to you. I'd even go so far as to call her R anti mobility, because using at the wrong time means you can easily set up CC for when she returns / collapse on that spot, and there's all of 0 she can do about it.

Xayah has 0 mobility in her kit. Zero. None. Zip. Nadda. Nothing. Her R does not enhance her movement in any way, it simply makes her untargetable (but not faster) for a short while.

Kaisa has a short duration movement speed boost.. which she cannot attack for the duration of. Uh. That's pretty rough in the trade off department. She also has a decently large range teleport on her R, but it's based entirely on the positioning of tagged enemies, and carries a gigantic cooldown. Again, she has some contextual mobility tools which have trade offs / limiting factors. She can go in but can't easily get out, and if closed on she's in a lot of trouble.

Ornn 's about as mobile as Urgot, which is to say not very. He has a medium range dash which can't bypass terain and.. that's it. Shit, using his primary damage ability actually slows him (like Urgot) and locks him into walking in a pre-set direction. Honestly, he's probably one of the lowest mobility tanks in the game.

Guys, guys I get it. This boards; boards isn't for productive discussions, it's for screaming like autistic monkeys in the hopes the echo chamber agrees and supports you.

Regardless, try to elevate above that a little. While some of these champions are / have presented balance issues, being hyper mobile is not one of the issues they have presented. Most of these champions fit squarely within the requested design of one dash or speed boost. The ones which don't make trades for that additional mobility.

Arguments carry a lot more weight when they're thought out and based in reality, rather than subsisting on irrational hatred and tilt.

Percentages5/19/2018, 4:41:41 PM5 votes

90%+ of their champion pool isn’t viable. Why do you think you see the same fucking champions over and over and over and over and over and over again at LCS? I quit watching long ago because it’s so fucking boring.

Bunnymap5/19/2018, 4:08:41 PM4 votes

Movement abilities aren't even the biggest issue. Most of the champs you listed are either doing fine, or are bad due to multiple issues like Ivern/Mordekaiser (Plus Ivern has a dash if he lands Q).

Also Pyke has 2 CC abilities.

Blades of Navori5/19/2018, 4:47:37 PM3 votes

But the champions in the first row you gave are fine...

HP Crookshanks5/19/2018, 5:07:36 PM3 votes

I think they should balance/rework the existing champions instead of creating braindead champions like Kayn Kled Ornn Zoe . Taliyah Xayah and Zoe are pretty immobile btw. You said Rumble is immobile but he's more mobile than the three.

Z3Sleeper5/20/2018, 1:22:31 AM2 votes

LOL. ORN XAYAH AND TALIYAH TOO FAST PLS OMG.

Zoe is literally a sitting duck without a flash or stolen flash. Her R is a self-root, not a dash.

Kai’Sa is entirely infight mobility, sucks at escaping.

And ofcourse xayah, ornn and taliyah are NOT mobile. Taliyah has her ult but that’s it.

koshkyra5/19/2018, 7:40:57 PM2 votes

Please dont include Taliyah as a mobile champion

DuskDaUmbreon5/19/2018, 6:16:19 PM2 votes

Xayah is basically immobile. A speedup that only happens for a second after you hit an enemy with just one ability isn't mobility.

Zoe is actually far less mobile than she looks. She can run fast for a bit with her W, and her R actually removes her movement, since it locks her down in place for a second (and tells you where she's going to end back up again)

Also, all no-mobility champions have a lot of CC, with the exception of Mordekaiser...

GigglesO5/20/2018, 4:08:17 AM1 votes

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Can u stop releasing champ with CC, DASHES, AOE STUNS, OR SOME KIND OF UNTARGETABLE ULTS? GOD.

ALL new champ are crazy, almost all of them are UNTARGETABLE in some way, all of them have insane mobility, a lot of CC, a lot of dmg, dude u are putting champ with no mobility in a really bad spot:

What do you guys think? I can't pay off meta champs ike amumu in jungle, i get flamed because my team think i'm useless.

We ask for 5 MS buff to morde, we get told morde doesn't need buffs... sooo yea... there is that.

Ignika D5/20/2018, 9:01:39 AM1 votes

i still think Xayah ulti is unfair if i cacth her out of position she should die like all other adc is bad enough her support can keep her alive she also got a self peel tool

also riot should consider rework untargetability like fizz xayah or inside tahm belly because if a dot like poison or ignite hits you, it should not stop working just becasue you in a high place or inside someone belly doesnt mean poison vanish from your body, most should work like vlad w

gabetheguy5/20/2018, 5:48:38 PM1 votes

broken english. didn't read.

EDIT: also, stop saying ridiculous things. amumu has literally every single one of the things you were crying about in this post.

VoraciousX5/19/2018, 9:17:46 PM1 votes

Pyke honestly isn't as good as you claim he is. ALL of his abilities have CC outside of his W and ult(which is actually bad). He's extremely slow without his W, his E dash is extremely short, and he cannot build health. The only reason he's good outside of support is because you can build Tiamat on him. If you couldn't, he wouldn't be able to waveclear mid or top and would get shoved in 24/7 with no means to ever engage on his enemy. The issue with all of his abilities that have damage outside of his ult being CC, is that he HAS TO USE THEM FOR CC. He can use his short Q for damage, but he's risking the enemy getting away, he can use his dash for mobility, but then he's not gonna stun anyone and he'll be out of an ability. His mobility is ALL CONDITIONAL. Zoe also doesn't have mobility btw. She's immobile as a matter of fact, her mobility is only an illusion(unless of course you have 5 people all flashing away from her). Kai'Sa is actually pretty immobile too, if you take away fleet footwork. Her ult is a long ranged dash, but Twisted Fate can teleport anywhere in a huge range around him, guess what, he's still immobile.

Also if gaining movement speed is considered mobility, then Mordekaiser is a mobile champion. He gains movement speed with his W when he places it on something ahead of him. Rumble also gains movement speed. Doesn't make them mobile champions. A mobile champion is one that is able to move around a lot in a fight, not just do one quick thing and then can't move for the rest of the fight. Pyke is able to move to CC champions, but after that, he's immobile, outside of his ult, and his ult only is able to be recast if he kills someone with it. Btw quick tip that I've found very infuriating. If you shield or heal someone as he's gonna ult them, they likely won't die and his ult will be set on cooldown. Then he's useless.

IcyPepper5/19/2018, 9:43:03 PM1 votes

I mean to be fair it's nice to have a bit of mobility as a support player. We're not as saturated in that department... yet. Rakan

Emerald Fang5/19/2018, 10:18:50 PM1 votes

Yeah I do agree that they need to make immobile champions for once. It will never happen, but it should.

P0IS0N IVY5/20/2018, 1:19:04 AM1 votes

Here are some fun facts. From the last 33 champions, there are only 5 champions with no mobile dashes, blinks, or untargetabilities:

Quinn Jinx Velkoz Jhin Zoe

(33-5)/33 = **84.85% **of champions released since the end of 2012 have a dash, blink, or untargetability.

From that list, Jhin and Zoe are in the last 20.

From that list, only Zoe is in the last 10.

As for the other 107 champions released before the end of 2012, 54 champions have no mobile dashes, blinks, or untargetabilities:

Annie Ashe Kayle Morgana Nunu Sion Sivir Soraka Teemo Singed Zilean Twitch Karthus Chogath Anivia Rammus Veigar Gangplank Taric Janna Blitzcrank DrMundo Nasus Heimerdinger Udyr Mordekaiser Kennen Garen Malzahar Olaf KogMaw MissFortune Sona Swain Lux Trundle Cassiopeia Karma Rumble Orianna Yorick Skarner Xerath Volibear Viktor Ziggs Lulu Varus Darius Draven Zyra Syndra Nami

(107-54)/107 = 49.53% of champions released before the end of 2012 have a dash, blink, or untargetability.

All in all, 81/140 = 57.86% of champions released have a dash, blink, or untargetability.

Honestly, I think OP's post was a little confusing, but there is no denying that Riot needs to cut down on the mobility creep (and the power creep). It's insane with the rate it's going.

One more fun fact - the last champion to be released with no speedup, dashes, blinks, or untargetabilities of any sort is Velkoz on Feb 27th, 2014. FOUR YEARS AGO.