Why do people get their panties in a twist over Sightstone?

trash sion·3/24/2017, 4:33:32 AM·2 votes·985 views

Everyone seems to think that Sightstone is a default, required Support item. It's not a perfect purchase every game. When I get autofilled into Support and forget to ward anyway, it's useless to waste the gold. When I'm playing in low MMR and no one looks at the map anyway, it's a waste of gold. If I'm playing in high MMR, using information given by the map alone is fine without wards (i.e. if the enemy mid is MIA, you don't need wards to know you should back the fuck up)

Not to mention that a trinket gives almost as many wards, and it doesn't take up an item slot. Sightstone is more of a fringe, occasional purchase if you ask me.

11 Comments

Dynikus3/24/2017, 4:51:51 AM5 votes

It is a perfect purchase every single game, actually. It's not necessarily always the first item you should purchase, but you should buy it every game.

When I get autofilled into Support and forget to ward anyway, it's useless to waste the gold.

How is this even an argument? By that same logic, zhonya's, edge of night, bork, and every single item with an active are useless wastes of gold because you forget to use them.

When I'm playing in low MMR and no one looks at the map anyway, it's a waste of gold.

An ignorant fallacy

If I'm playing in high MMR, using information given by the map alone is fine without wards (i.e. if the enemy mid is MIA, you don't need wards to know you should back the fuck up)

Picture this: Mid is MIA, you're pushing top turret. Because you have no vision and mid might be coming up top to stop you, you back off. In actuality, their mid laner is going bot to gank and take bot turret to answer the turret top. So you've backed off and didn't get to take top turret, and you lost bot turret because you thought mid might be coming to stop you.

Here's another possibility: Your jungler asks you to ward red buff because they're on the opposite side of the map holding lane and can't get to the buff in time. Since you're relying on your yellow trinket for wards, they're all on CD and you can't place a new one. The enemy jungler comes and takes red buff, then ganks your lane and takes turret.

Let's look at one more possibly scenario: Your team is trying to sneak baron, but the enemy has it warded. You have a yellow trinket because you didn't want to buy a sight stone, so you can't clear it with your red trinket. The enemy team's support uses their red trinket to disable any wards you have outside of the baron pit, and the enemy jungler knows exactly when to jump in for the steal. You lose baron, and they ace your team, then push to end.

You're only hurting your team by not buying a sightstone. Vision is important.

Narvuntien3/24/2017, 4:55:07 AM4 votes

It is the default support item. You aren't playing support if you don't have it.

Forgetting to ward is also obviously terrible support play, which is you just being bad. Go practice and be better at it.

Trinket wards have much shorter duration and you cannot place a multiple in quick sucession if needed aaand there is an oppotunity cost in not having the hextech sweeper which is the most powerful trinket. Removing the enemies wards (particularly if they don't have sightstone) is very powerful.

You are wrong with your assumptions about players at those MMRs. Low MMR players are not a universial in thier skills (or lack of them) some Low MMR players actually have great map awareness but terrible mechanics. By using wards you can catch the opponents at a disadvantage and then thier lack of fighting tactics can just not matter when its 4 v 2 or something.

There are also plenty of tunnel vision high MMR players they will destroy anyone 1v1 but are dumb macrowise. Without wards mid leaves, now both top and bot have to be careful.. if you have warded you will know what direction they have gone. Allowing top to instead go aggressive knowing that they aren't going to get ganked. Add to that the tracking of the enemy jungler, preventing invades and knowing where they are on the map will allow you to make plays elsewhere.

Sure you could have more AP on your Brand to win team fights... but you win more games by avoiding fights you can't win and finding picks when you need them and making good objective calls.

Wards win games.

Taliyah Rocks3/24/2017, 4:56:58 AM3 votes

Because vision wins game. Placing a deep ward and knowing where the enemy jungler is can open up so many potential plays. Oh he's farming topside? go get drag or gank bot lane, invade him. Mid laner is coming botlane? Collapse on him and get a free kill.

All those things can't be done reliably without wards.

A Basic Island3/24/2017, 4:56:35 AM2 votes

sounds like user error

Swollwonder3/24/2017, 5:29:20 AM1 votes

Well yeah if you dont use it its obviously a waste

The question is why youre not using it..

ZephyrDrake3/24/2017, 5:33:31 AM1 votes

so what i am getting from this post is that you don't think Sightstone is a good buy because you plain suck at support and instead of improving in said role you just refuse and prefer to become something you shouldn't and assume that everyone in your elo plays exactly the same... ok. Why are you even playing ranked to begin with? i mean if you have no intention of climbing the ladder and improving why are you playing ranked?

Revali3/24/2017, 5:33:49 AM1 votes

I like being able to see what the fuck is happening in a 4 man botlane party, thank you very much.

zecastar3/24/2017, 5:36:46 AM1 votes

there are almost no times when sightstone isn't super important. it's not just about warding. trinket wards do that too. it's about having enough wards so you can move the ward line based on game needs.

grug3/24/2017, 4:59:23 AM1 votes

the most valid reason is that they aren't doing shit like engaging, poking, peeling or tanking therefore they should just buy a sightstone and put wards all over the place seeing as they are wasting the gold by buying a fiendish codex or bami cinder and not even trying to kill someone.

TricolorStar3/24/2017, 5:09:27 AM1 votes

You are a support. The primary job for a support is vision and peel, just like the primary job for a mage is burst, a tank is to tank, etc. You have the role, play it right.

iFearedAMinion3/24/2017, 5:27:41 AM1 votes

I disagree with this whole post. It's best used on supports because everyone else needs to invest into more resists or more damage. Supports for the most part are good for their cc and cd's, and they don't necessarily need damages or resists in order to cc someone.