Why is it so difficult for low elo to play ADC?

TeakettleBlood·5/15/2015, 11:37:08 AM·4 votes·2,806 views

I just got done with a 4 game losing streak... And in every single one the adc would stand toe to toe with the enemy renekton or kat and then after they get destroyed would say "Oh well they jumped on me" I try to explain to them to not put themselves in a position to get jumped on in the first place. Well that never sits over well because they according to them they are always playing great... Is it just an extra difficult position to play or something ? Or is it the fact that 98% person in bronze/silver plays LoL like CoD, because getting kills is the most important thing right?

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Mandang05/15/2015, 3:31:21 PM5 votes

It's the most farm-reliant role in the ELO least able to farm.

It's the most positioning-centric role in the tier with the worst positioning.

It's the most team-dependent role in a level of games where people can barely take care of their own champs.

Old Man Teeto5/15/2015, 11:44:26 AM3 votes

Kiting and peeling don't exist in low Elo.

ADC's win and lose based on how farmed the two fighting are and if they remember to press buttons and click on the other champion.

Also sometimes you just can't run away and have to dish out as much hurt as you can before you die miserably and hope your team mates can win the fight.

parrzival5/15/2015, 1:41:00 PM3 votes

Its for several reasons.

They dont know they should farm. I will be playing jinx and my support will rush in and die at level 1 or 2 and be like "why didnt you follow". This mindset is all over bronze so they just charge in and die at low levels while ignoring farm. Oh and they dont know how to farm. Not that I do but I am working on it.
They dont know how to freeze lane. They just keep dieing instead of farming in tower
They blame support for their deaths. They think that support can prevent stupid, but it cant.
They wont ward and dont pay attention to wards/map. They believe warding is for everyone else
They ignore pings
They ignore the map. They have no clue where enemy jungle is because our jungle isnt doing his job and so we shouldnt care either.
They dont know the other champs - if the other adc has a powerful early/late game, etc.
They dont understand that in team fights they dont charge in. They stay in back and hit the closest target so they themselves do not get killed. Instead they rush in and are an easy target
They group mid at level 5 or 6 and stay there the rest of the game and have a farm of less than 100 at 45 minutes in game
the support doesnt know they should be bullying the other adc so our adc just keeps dieing and doesnt freeze lane. this goes to other points so i guess i am done ranting

im sure there are tons more but adc seems to be the downfall of my bronze games more often than not

DanofDemacia5/15/2015, 11:55:05 AM1 votes

Idk but personally I am a trash ADC the idea of aaing someone to death is obscene to me I play all mages so when if I get stuck with adc it's gg.

Best Darius KR5/15/2015, 11:57:07 AM1 votes

I try to explain to them to not put themselves in a position to get jumped on in the first place.

That's the hard part

Ada Wong5/15/2015, 12:00:56 PM1 votes

I don't think the problem is that low elo players can't play its that they can't play good when forced under certain conditions, at least this is the problem I have when I play ADC.

. I have went bottom lane and done good before when matched the the correct players, or when duo with specific players who are on (Team Speak) or Curse, now I agree ADC Isn't my best role because I never really play it due to (Solo Q) and random players but there is a big difference.

. Then the other case where being matched with players who just don't know what the hell they are doing take for example supports who play Annie bottom lane, but don't understand that if Leona Engages a fight which by all cases she will unless you play very passively that they are going to win every fight at least when I go bottom lane with Leona I will always get an engage off even if the enemy isn't looking for one.

The problem is simply finding players who understand how to work well with the ADC, otherwise you can't expect a game to go well at all, or you personally (Feed) at least this is my problem with playing the roles especially in Solo Q games, the exception is doing something that is called off meta which sometimes when the enemy team doesn't expect players to be doing such because its not common I can usually get my ADC fed under certain conditions.

The main reason I think that players usually in most games give first blood and do badly bot is because its a duo player lane, and sometimes others just can't understand what needs to be done to actually do well in lane phase, and what champions to play, or how to even be playing, (Honestly) almost any champion in a bottom lane can work great, if your mate is skilled enough to actually understand what they need to do, otherwise the game is usually going to go bad.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/miscellaneous/YOOZYYeZ-climbing-ranked-by-duo-queuing-two-tanks-in-bot-lane?comment=0000

And when games go bad its usually when the toxicity usually starts which is why its best to play champions that can win early game and force fights early that can be won.

The solution could simply be to add 4 Lanes to League OF Legends, or 5 Lanes, which is part of the reason why some MOBA like Heroes OF The Storm try to remove toxicity by only having 2-3 lanes no specific meta, but still as a player I will personally not play in any lane with players who have no idea what they are doing in that game either because there are more useful things to do and feeding doesn't have much of a impact as it does in League or DOTA.

TeakettleBlood5/15/2015, 12:03:59 PM1 votes

Seriously though... After the 6th time of watching a renekton e to them, w them and then chunk their entire health don't you think they would learn ? Or is it really THAT fun to chase that enemy yi back to his base every single time?

One time the adc was chasing and renekton was tping into the bush ahead of her, SHE CONTINUES TO CHASE until she's standing right on top of the ward so he doesn't even have to e to her. But when I said something to her about backing off she "couldn't because renekton jumped on her"

I just don't get it folks. I had more faith in the human brains ability to learn and adapt than this

djjomon5/15/2015, 1:22:33 PM1 votes

I'm a Silver 4 former ADC main. I consider my game knowledge to be closer to a mid gold levels. My playmaking/mechanics... not so much.

Here's what I've noticed about low Elo ADCs/players in general.

Positioning: They just have no idea what it is or how to do it. Last night I was testing out the new Ashe, I had a support Teemo. He asked why we all focused the tank instead of the squishy. My response "We're squishy too." So we focus tanks? I explained that positioning is key, and our top Morgana agreed. He didn't seem to have an idea what that meant, as his response was "ok ill focus tanks too" (we won eventually).

Giving up: Lost lane? gg. Too many people believe this. You can come back from just about anything. And when they give up, they put themselves on tilt. Or tilting in general, they get salty and start making stupid mistakes.

Overconfidence: This champ is your main, you won your last 2 game, so you'll obviously win your next 100. If you don't, it's your team's fault. Yeah, low Elo believes this sometimes. Though this case is much rarer.

Inability to play from behind: If you're behind the enemy ADC, you can typically farm and catch up. Sometimes the best bet is to solo farm under tower while your support roams, or just give up the tower so botlane starts pushing in your favor.

There's more, but here are a few things I've come across.

Knight SoIaire 5/15/2015, 1:32:31 PM1 votes

i stoo once toe to toe with enemy renekton as an adc

poor renekton, dear boy

but to be serious, adc's dont work that well in silver becuase they reuire a lot of caution and silvers cant just grasp the entire teamfight and asses whethe they are safe or not this fast

so yeah its just an extra dificult position

Gwellaouen5/15/2015, 1:43:10 PM1 votes

I think one of the easiest adc to learn the role could be Ashe. She just been rework too.

I mean she can initiate teamfight by staying in the back. Some adc's can't do that. The rule of adc is staying in the back till someone initiate the teamfight. Of course, in low elo, less experience, more difficulty to do a good initiation at the right time: sometime, I am the one at fault. Yeah sorry about that. XD' So Ashe can come in handy with her ult.

Of course, you still need to learn to position well behind your minions early game. I remember how many times I hook a Jinx with Thresh in laning phase because she was always not well position.

LegendaryLemur5/15/2015, 1:53:38 PM1 votes

Amazing how fast this thread turned into 'my support sucks q.q'

Solidair35/15/2015, 1:54:32 PM1 votes

Moving and attacking at the same time is one of the last skills you learn, which is why it's difficult in bronze I think. In really hectic situations I still have trouble with it and I'm in Gold.

Wickedfates5/15/2015, 2:22:52 PM1 votes

because of a lack of good experience.....

and in what tutorial should they have learned to play the game and the role? with what experience do you expect everyone to be the best when first picking something up?

did you try to help them? give them hints, suggestions, tips/tricks, or did you watch them fail and then rail at their incompetence?

Drunk Rummate5/15/2015, 2:23:59 PM1 votes

A big issue is that many people in bronze/silver don't know how to auto attack while moving. They just kinda stand there and when the melee gapcloses they die. Alternatively they run away without shooting and you may as well not be playing ADC at that point.

FooDang5/15/2015, 2:34:02 PM1 votes

{quoted}

Why is it so difficult for LOW ELO to play ADC?

Is this a serious question?...

mvargus5/15/2015, 3:49:27 PM1 votes

I've always thought this had more to due with the nature of the ELOs and the player base you find there.

In my experience the majority of players in bronze and low silver have the attitude that they are going to carry themselves up to gold. Most want to play "hard carry" champions that don't require any assistance or help. YOu find that you see a lot of mid mains, and top mains as well as jungle mains who play champions who excel at ganking early and often.

What you find a lot less of are support mains and ADC mains. Both because the lane basically forces you to work with a partner, and because neither role is an early game carry type, so you end up feeling like you aren't helping enough early.

So in my games I've ended up with 1 where the ADC was actually an ADC main who called the role. Most were like. "I'll ADC, I guess." And their play reflected their lack of experience/interest in the position.

It's not a matter of the position being "extra difficult" In fact if you have a halfway decent ADC its a very easy position to play, but its very unfamiliar to a lot of players and many of them also are used to playing champs that aren't squishy, so they don't worry about positioning or kiting or.... (fill in the blank with your favorite complaint.)

I do wish you luck in finding some better ADCs. I'd volunteer, but my last game was not one to write home about. The enemy team had a Talon who delighted in sneaking up to me while stealthed and then bursting me down. I had a lot of trouble avoiding dying, but he died almost every time he dove on me, so I was still helping my team.

The Ellimiist5/15/2015, 5:38:43 PM1 votes

Simple, the lower your elo the worse your positioning and less likley to properly freeze lane. I just lost a game where I wen't 25/4/17 as mid cho, I ganked bot lane 4 times securing a triple kill, twice. We still lost as the ashe died 17 times due to horribly overextending in lane.

tl'dr: lower elo = worse positioning and adc is the most punished by this.

Renaille5/15/2015, 6:30:44 PM1 votes

Bronzies play like they're ahead even when behind. All they know how to do is run forward and fight

IcyPepper5/15/2015, 6:46:48 PM1 votes

Well, to be fair, people don't prioritize protecting the adc as much as they should. I've seen so many occasions where the bruiser chases a low health enemy deep into the jungle while the rest of the enemy team is diving the adc and nobody is helping them out.

On the flipside, adc's tend to not position well or facecheck the jungle a bit much. Upgraded blue trinket really helps against that.

Very Hard Engage5/15/2015, 11:42:04 AM1 votes

because the support you're stuck with wanted to play top but was last pick, so in turn they pick sona into blitzcrank and constantly try to poke with Q and dont stand behind minions. enemy blitz YOLO PULL. annnnd sona dies.

that and the fact that you need to be a champion who can 1v1 in bronze, they dont know how to group up at that level, you can just pick a great duelist champ and go where you please and do what you want and you'll win.

TeakettleBlood5/15/2015, 7:14:34 PM1 votes

The fact that these people are so clueless or just bad isn't even the main concern. It's the fact that they don't learn after the 6th, 7th, 8th time the same exact thing happens. It's so disparaging. Do they go through every single game dying 7-12 times and losing ? If so how are they enjoying themselves ? And even if they are how is it okay when they're ruining 4 other peoples experience?

wRZcGiWq625/15/2015, 11:44:58 AM1 votes

I think I'm a decent player, but I don't ADC because I prefer to be up in your face killing shit. I know that I don't position properly and it seems to me to be the easiest position to fail at. It's really the only position I feel like that has more to it than just last hitting minions and using some abilities in a fight. That's just me though.

zane yalgir5/15/2015, 11:45:28 AM1 votes

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I just got done with a 4 game losing streak... And in every single one the adc would stand toe to toe with the enemy renekton or kat and then after they get destroyed would say "Oh well they jumped on me" I try to explain to them to not put themselves in a position to get jumped on in the first place. Well that never sits over well because they according to them they are always playing great... Is it just an extra difficult position to play or something ? Or is it the fact that 98% person in bronze/silver plays LoL like CoD, because getting kills is the most important thing right?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1824451794/211846831?tab=overview

im by no means a wood adc... this supp however was very much wood 5 and cancer inducing